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#574295 - 09/22/20 08:12 PM A first day of fall question for all of you...  
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I'd bet that many of you are in the middle to hauling out your boats for the cold winter months ahead. With that thought in mind I thought I'd give you a questto take your mind off your lonely baby sitting in a garage somewhere.

Since I'm the resident BABC cheapskate here's a cheapskate question for you. You have two options to pick from and please justify your answer.

When we bought our home one of the things we laughed about were the chandeliers in the garage. Yup, four of them. They each had several of the small base, chandelier type bulbs in them. While those bulbs are festive they don't last long. I've started replacing them (as they burn out) with LED bulbs. The old bulbs are 40W, the new ones are 4W and are much brighter as you can see in the photo below.

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So here's the question: Should I replace all the remaining bulbs now, going from the 40W to the 4W bulbs, or should I continue to replace them as they burn out. So pick your answer and justify your answer:

Option A--replace them all now, throw out the old bulbs even though they still work and save on energy consumption, or

Option B--replace them as they burn out and not throw out bulbs that are still working.

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#574297 - 09/22/20 09:40 PM Re: A first day of fall question for all of you... [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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Replace them all now.
Trying to cover the Sunk costs of the old coupled with increased energy usage and less light do not justify improving your visibility and energy footprint.

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#574302 - 09/23/20 12:49 PM Re: A first day of fall question for all of you... [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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I would replace as they burn out, maybe swap bulbs so one fixture is all LED. The fixtures probably aren't on all the time to justify the expense of purchasing new bulbs. Plus you can get bulbs on sale as they become available. Unless you are CDO (OCD in alphabetical order) and you want each bulb to shine the same type of light then replace all bulbs.


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#574308 - 09/23/20 07:37 PM Re: A first day of fall question for all of you... [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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Guessing i'd replace as they burn out


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#574313 - 09/24/20 10:35 AM Re: A first day of fall question for all of you... [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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I'll voter for all at once. I don't like the mismatched shades of color, and if you're going to do it eventually why not reap the energy savings and better lighting sooner?

I bet you can find an Amazon type deal to get a bunch of them for cheaper then one at a time at the hardware store.


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#574316 - 09/24/20 10:45 AM Re: A first day of fall question for all of you... [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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Depends on how often they are on. If every day, replace them all at once. If rarely used, just replace them as they burn out, but maybe buy all the LEDs at once so they match.


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#574317 - 09/24/20 12:16 PM Re: A first day of fall question for all of you... [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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I'm gonna modify my answer.
Wait til Costco runs the deal on the 48 Inch LED shoplights for $7 off and replace the chandeliers (WTF?.... in a garage?) with some real lights.
Replaced 5 cheapazz single bulb fixtures with those and every time I turn on the lights before opening the door between the house and the garage I think I left all the outside doors open it's so daylighty in there.


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#574318 - 09/24/20 01:22 PM Re: A first day of fall question for all of you... [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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That is justified. (:-)

I got one at Harbor Freight. The one 4 foot fixture lights up the entire three-car garage. Used one of their 20% off coupon. Around $17.

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#574319 - 09/24/20 10:06 PM Re: A first day of fall question for all of you... [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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The mis matched bulb color and luminance on the same fixture would drive me crazy.

All at once for me.


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#574324 - 09/27/20 11:15 AM Re: A first day of fall question for all of you... [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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Oh geez, I had a chandelier just like that many years ago. Throw the hole thing out and get bright garage lights.


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#574326 - 09/27/20 08:20 PM Re: A first day of fall question for all of you... [Re: WaterWing]  
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Originally Posted by WaterWing
Oh geez, I had a chandelier just like that many years ago. Throw the hole thing out and get bright garage lights.

But was it in the garage?
That actually takes the cheapskate level to a whole new plane.

Maybe find a disco ball to add to the garage and really step it up.


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#574331 - 09/28/20 11:15 AM Re: A first day of fall question for all of you... [Re: Justification]  
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Originally Posted by Justification
Originally Posted by WaterWing
Oh geez, I had a chandelier just like that many years ago. Throw the hole thing out and get bright garage lights.

But was it in the garage?
That actually takes the cheapskate level to a whole new plane.

Maybe find a disco ball to add to the garage and really step it up.

Hmmmmm, never thought about a disco ball. Amazon here I come!


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#574336 - 09/28/20 02:32 PM Re: A first day of fall question for all of you... [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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Somewhat depends on how much you enjoy climbing up a ladder every time one burns out! smile

I would go with replace all of them now. Eliminates the mismatched lighting, improves garage visibility and reduces chance of injury from climbing a ladder. The last one may seem like a joke, but it happens, and the results are often not good and life changing.

Some power companies have free or discounted LED light bulb offers tucked away on their website...just as an FYI.

The whole CFL thing from a decade or so was a joke...they may have used less electricity but they sure didn't last longer in many applications...but I'm totally sold on the LED thing. I've replaced almost everything inside and outside of my house and have yet to have one fail.


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#574340 - 09/28/20 05:50 PM Re: A first day of fall question for all of you... [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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Agree with Cfl bulbs not ever living up to the hype.

We have gone 100% led & have no regrets.


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#574346 - 09/29/20 06:31 PM Re: A first day of fall question for all of you... [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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The old bulbs in those chandeliers are from many years ago when our power company was giving them away (as in "freebies"). I'm still using several types of those freebies from their giveaway.

Cheapskates like freebies!


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#574347 - 09/29/20 09:07 PM Re: A first day of fall question for all of you... [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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#574386 - 10/08/20 09:49 PM Re: A first day of fall question for all of you... [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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So am I the only person lucky enough to find every LED bulb that has a shi#y starter in it?? Right now in the kitchen one of the 4 LED's is doing the hypnotic eye strobe light thing for 5 minutes before it comes on. Soon it just won't come on, just like all 5 of the LED's in the entryway chandelier. Somewhere I have a video with 3 of the 5 flashing. About 2 years ago I bought a box of ten 4' LED light strips. I love the things, they weigh nothing, they're bright, portable, each comes with a switched cord, AND a direct-wire pigtail, AND a short extension that allows you to plug into another one, AND little stub plugs that allow you to stab them together lengthwise, AND a pair of 1-screw mounting clips that these things just snap into...They're GREAT for instant light where I need it! And they're like $7 each is all...

But-- in 2 years 4 of the 10 have lost the starters. Sad because the LED's will last almost forever... I have one bad one that hasn't made it to the trash can yet. I just retrieved it to take these pics.

Both off, followed by each one on by itself...

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Not too hard to find the bad one wink -it would barely be useful as a night light, and they'll likely just quit working at all if left on. But I still love 'em. I just bought another 16 tubes, only this time I got the ones with the frosty-white translucent cover rather than transparent, those individual LEDs are BRIGHT, and a bit hard to look at. The frosty cover helps a lot.

I love LED's but I can't seem to get more than about 2 or 3 years use out of 'em. At least they've come way down in price. Most of my CFL's are gone, and this place being a business, not long ago I counted 71 florescent tubes in this place. There's now 65; lost some fixtures and many of them I've swapped out to LED. I bought a case of 24 LED replacements, they essentially identical to the new plug-ins I just got only they're made to fit standard tube fixtures. As the old tubes go south, I'm replacing them with the LED's. They're NOT direct-replacements mind you, I have to re-wire the fixtures, which is a matter of bypassing the ballast and re-wiring the plugs so one end is hot, the other end neutral. I'm down to about 7 minutes per rewire wink The ONLY incandescent lights in this house are a few 40w round bulbs that heat the wife's wax thingys smile

Shi#y starters or not, I like LED's, especially since they're just not that expensive, and probably going to get cheaper...

SO- My answer to the question: Change them all out and get it over with, and donate the working lights you won't be using...

And I almost forgot-- My average light bill has went from $468 monthly thru most of 2018 and part way thru 2019, to $406 now. Not all because of the lights, but I'd say half or so...




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