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#573724 - 06/03/20 10:29 PM Spring Comissioning - arrrggghh  
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Picked up the boat last week. It was blazing hot, so I wanted to throw the muffs on it, fire it up and go jump in the lake for a few. Cleanup and whatnot could wait, lake first!

You might guess that didn't work out so well. Engine fired just fine, but 2 problems. I had a leak at the thermostat, I had forgotten about that. I pull the thermostat to dump antifreeze when I winterize, and the threading in the block had rusted out. Also, bigger problem, bad metal sound from the back of the engine bay. No quick jump in the lake.

I picked up a helicoil kit for the thermostat, and a couple of new bolts. My first time with that repair, but it went just fine and I put in a new thermostat as well. Started the engine again, no leaks. Unfortunatlhy, the metal sound did not heal itself.

My first thought was the Gimble, but I had that replaced last year after the same symptoms. There's a local mobile boat mechanic that I've used a few times, and he did the job. He's not the most reliable on keeping appointments, but he seems to do good work and plenty of people around the area that use him. Well, I'm thkning I'm off that list. Took it to a shop yesterday, had good reviews form locals and definitely knows his stuff. I'm currently behind 30 boats and he puts in long hours because boats is all he does and tis the season. He did a visual inspection with me and found a few spots in the bellows and clamps that might not have sealed up, and a water tube that has clear dry rot, should have been replaced and wasn't. Until he pulls the drive off best guess is water intrusion that blew up the Gimble over the winter.

It looks like 2 weeks at best, just as the weather is getting good. I did risk a quick trip yesterday (small lake, maybe 5 minutes each way to the swimming hole) and it didn't sound any better on either trip, hence the trip to the shop. Water was great, will have to last me a while.


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#573725 - 06/04/20 07:55 AM Re: Spring Comissioning - arrrggghh [Re: casualboater]  
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That stinks. Hopefully it turns out to be something minor & you are back on the water in no time. Fingers crossed.


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#573726 - 06/04/20 12:17 PM Re: Spring Comissioning - arrrggghh [Re: casualboater]  
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I hate it when stuff like that happens, especially when the weather is turning nice. Good luck with the new mechanic.


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#573728 - 06/05/20 01:32 AM Re: Spring Comissioning - arrrggghh [Re: casualboater]  
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it's always something.

97 tomorrow
60 Saturday
45 Sunday.


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#573729 - 06/05/20 08:16 AM Re: Spring Comissioning - arrrggghh [Re: casualboater]  
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That is some crazy weather Silverbullet


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#573731 - 06/05/20 12:44 PM Re: Spring Comissioning - arrrggghh [Re: casualboater]  
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The most frustrating is I really prefer to do my own work. For instance, while the drive was pulled to do the gimbal work, I did the water pump in the lower unit. I hesitated on the gimbal because I was worried about A, pulling it, and B, getting the bellows sealed up properly. Ironic that water intrusion from a bad seal on the bellows is what is most likely my problem...


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#573733 - 06/05/20 03:29 PM Re: Spring Comissioning - arrrggghh [Re: casualboater]  
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#573734 - 06/05/20 03:37 PM Re: Spring Comissioning - arrrggghh [Re: casualboater]  
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Water in the boot WILL take out the gimbal bearing, had that exact thing happen with the SeaRay many years ago, the bearing rusted up very badly just sitting over the winter...

As to changing your bearing, check out My Link to the gimbal bearing tool I bought last year and how it worked. -some of the best money I ever spent. Other than setting up the inserter tool to fit your boat, which isnt' a big deal really, it made changing the bearings no harder than changing a tire smile Essentially a half-hour job to change BOTH bearings, and the new bearings are perfectly aligned, ready for my new drives.

And BTW, on a Merc at least, you don't need to pull the bellows to change the bearing...

What I would like to know is the easy way to change out the bellows. I've found countless You Tube's of guys standing next to their I/O explaining how to do it, but I've not yet found a video of anyone actually going thru the motions and DOING the job!

#573735 - 06/06/20 11:18 AM Re: Spring Comissioning - arrrggghh [Re: Silverbullet]  
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Originally Posted by Silverbullet

it's always something.

97 tomorrow
60 Saturday
45 Sunday.

Same thing here. We wanted to take some friends out on the boat this weekend. The weather has been nice but today and tomorrow it's going to be VERY wind (*gusts in the upper 20s) with about a 20% chance of rain. Tomorrow the winds and rain are worse. I"m thinking the MAN up above doesn't want this cruise to happen.


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#573736 - 06/07/20 08:58 AM Re: Spring Comissioning - arrrggghh [Re: casualboater]  
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Weather timing has been kinda bad this year here on the NH coast. We have had the boat in the water for a month now and have only gone out twice. Wind here has been crazy on weekends. Hoping to get out this morning before the 20+ knot wind this afternoon. The upsides are that I am plowing through boat projects at a great pace and we have really had a chance to bond with our marina neighbors. Last year was great, but we had slip neighbors that were less than ideal. They did not come back this year and it's been refreshing to not have them here. Did not realize how toxic they really were until they were gone.

Mercruiser U-Joint bellows are not too hard to swap, the factory service manual is the way to go and you can likely find it for free online. DO NOT use anything but OEM rubber parts and bearings in those drives. The OEM stuff is the best and it's not much more expensive than aftermarket stuff that only lasts a couple of years.


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#573778 - 06/12/20 10:28 AM Re: Spring Comissioning - arrrggghh [Re: casualboater]  
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Any updates on the repairs?


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#573791 - 06/13/20 10:15 AM Re: Spring Comissioning - arrrggghh [Re: casualboater]  
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No, he guesstimated 2 weeks or so to get to me, that'll be in another 3-4 days. We are heading to a friends lake house in Northern Michigan tomorrow, so I'll get my water fix there and maybe come home to a finished boat.


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#573792 - 06/14/20 08:03 PM Re: Spring Comissioning - arrrggghh [Re: casualboater]  
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Sounds like a good alternate.

If it makes you feel better we have not been on the water at all

Been down to the lake house working on projects.

Hopefully soon we can get on the water.


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#573828 - 06/23/20 07:30 AM Re: Spring Comissioning - arrrggghh [Re: casualboater]  
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Got the call yesterday, water in the gimble, it's shot. He suspects that the bellows was installed without glue. There's also sign of water on the universals - they're fine now but most likely compromised. My trim senders had been bad for a while, and the limiter only works because I gooped it up with liquid electrical tape a number of years ago (kinda impressed how long that held on). He also wants to do the lower shift cable to be 100% sure that everything is good. To do all the work will run me 1400.00, but pretty much every maintenance item in the outdrive will be done.

I thought about putting off a few things, but the labor costs to do the universals and trim senders for example are almost nothing because it's all pulled apart already. Doing those jobs later would be a lot more, so it seems like I'm better in the long run to suck it up and get it all nailed down now. Luckily the parts are all avaialble, and that's not a guarantee right now because a lot of supply chains are in limbo. He hopes to have it back to me by the 4th of July. Fingers crossed.


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#573830 - 06/23/20 08:20 AM Re: Spring Comissioning - arrrggghh [Re: casualboater]  
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Should be like new again.


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#573833 - 06/23/20 10:25 AM Re: Spring Comissioning - arrrggghh [Re: captkevin]  
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got to be frustrating to be so close but yet so far. 4th of July sounds like a good time to be out, but I hate being on the lake during that busy of a weekend.

Originally Posted by captkevin


If it makes you feel better we have not been on the water at all



I'll add my Argh too.
Almost the end of June and we still haven't been out either.
Was going to do the first cruise of the summer yesterday. Boat hooked up and pulled out of the garage. I had put the battery charger on it a couple weeks ago, then again yesterday for a few hours before hooking up. No dam luck, both batteries dead. Set the charger to start and let it sit another 15 minutes. no dam luck. the dam will still be there next week when we can try again I guess.
Time for a new deep cycle as that one was 7 years old, and also a backup starter battery, which I think was about 4 or 5 years old.

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#573837 - 06/23/20 02:00 PM Re: Spring Comissioning - arrrggghh [Re: casualboater]  
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Wow, those aren't really that old in boat terms. Did they get run down and freeze?


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#573838 - 06/23/20 02:11 PM Re: Spring Comissioning - arrrggghh [Re: casualboater]  
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We might get in the water this weekend if everything cooperates but looking at the forecast right now & it is not looking good. Hopefully that changes.


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#573840 - 06/23/20 05:00 PM Re: Spring Comissioning - arrrggghh [Re: casualboater]  
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I'll give you at 10 for that decision. You still have a majority of the summer left. Enjoy it. Should be no more worries about if was all done correctly. Does he give a warranty on his work? Might be good idea to ask, at least set expectations.


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#573841 - 06/23/20 07:01 PM Re: Spring Comissioning - arrrggghh [Re: casualboater]  
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Yes, if I'm objective it's not so bad. I'm just a little bitter because it's two summers in a row I've missed the first month.

The warranty is a good call, I will look into that!


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