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#571566 - 08/09/18 11:05 PM Re: new motor [Re: benlow68]  
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now that you know you have a compromised head gasket, resist the urge to start the motor again until it's been fixed-- because if one of those cylinders takes on water after shutdown, and the engine fires before the cylinder(s) hydrolock and binds up the starter, you'll likely break a main journal... That's exactly what happened to the original motor in my Sea Ray...


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#571567 - 08/10/18 08:24 AM Re: new motor [Re: benlow68]  
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Reality has reared it ugly head. When I took the boat to my mechanic he showed me many reasons my boat wasnt worth investing another penny into it. He even told the admiral that if I spent one more penny into it he would kick my ash. First he looked at the motor and told me I was wrong' the block was cracked and it would cost over $2000 for a rebuilt motor even at the friends and family discount. Then he looked at another important part. The transom was rotten, something I never thought of, he took a screwdriver and easily stabbed a hole in it. For my fellow cheap boaters, before putting any money down on a used boat check the transom it is not easy to repair. I think the admiral was happy and wants to hang up her admirals hat and put on a generals helmet as we are now looking for a travel trailer. Alls well we need a travel trailer more then a boat because we have to live somewhere while we build our new home on lake brownwood. So with a heavy heart I must join an RV website to learn more about travel trailers before I buy one. I hope the Good Sam club is as fun and helpful as this sight has been. This is where I would add a crying emo but I havent figured out how to do it yet.
One plus for me is that my mechanic took the boat off my hands. I know he will strip it of any part that will help him then he will dispose of the hull.

#571568 - 08/10/18 08:51 AM Re: new motor [Re: benlow68]  
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Sorry to hear about the boat.


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#571569 - 08/10/18 10:53 AM Re: new motor [Re: captkevin]  
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Originally Posted by captkevin
Sorry to hear about the boat.


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I have read on the internet many reports about rotten transoms, but I never hear what causes this. From reading the Dave Pasco reports, I understand why large boats that are kept in slips can have soft spots, but I wonder how a trailer boat ends up with a rotten transom? idn

#571571 - 08/10/18 12:28 PM Re: new motor [Re: benlow68]  
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"but I wonder how a trailer boat ends up with a rotten transom? "

Maybe while they are underwater during a hurricane. Just rain water collection if not covered improperly. Water can squeeze into the smallest of holes in anything. Put a little pressure on it, and there is a lot more water movement. Could have been improper sealing around the outdrive mount, too. Or, the obvious, this boat was kept in the water for extended time on a regular basis.


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#571572 - 08/10/18 02:40 PM Re: new motor [Re: benlow68]  
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Sorry to hear about a short-lived boat experience. Glad someone brought you back to earth for a safe, yet sad, landing before you continued to invest in the boat.

FWIW - fiberglass boats with wood 'skeletons' attract moisture as they age. The wood will absorb water from wherever it can get it. It will hold onto it and not release it, just like a wet sponge wrapped in plastic stays wet. The daily temperature cycles are enough to create sufficient moisture within a boat and often the fiberglassing is often not done well enough to prevent the wood from absorbing moisture. Fiberglass itself is porous . . . water will make its way through it given enough time, but more commonly, it is shortcomings in the boat's manufacturing. The main bulkhead, the below deck fuel tank, and the transom area are key targets for moisture(water) collection in a boat. So, everyday, year after year as the sun rises and sets 100's of water droplets form on the boats internal structure as the temperatures rise and fall, even if they are not left out in the rain.

I've seen boats that only took about 10 years to absorb enough moisture to start rotting, and others that took 20 years or so. If you keep your boat in a climate controlled garage throughout its life, you probably have the best chance for fending off wood rot. Most of us don't have that luxury, so the boats stay outside, hopefully covered, but still subject to the elements.

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#571573 - 08/10/18 02:55 PM Re: new motor [Re: benlow68]  
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Ted:
Good explanation. We are lucky (depending on your outlook) in SoCal that things are so dry. Our boat stays on the water for the summer, and when water does get into the boat from swimmers, for example, it dries right up. We seldom have summer showers, but when they do arrive, they are short-lived. If water enters the boat, it dries shortly after the storm passes through. Also, our boat has a "lifetime" hull warranty. Hopefully, I never need to know much more about it.


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#571577 - 08/11/18 08:07 AM Re: new motor [Re: benlow68]  
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the boat was 32 years old who knows what previous owners did to it before I got it. It was a cheaply built boat and there was a crack around the bottom of the main drive and the gel coat was severely crack. The boat was neglected obviously, I just thought I could give it a hug and show it some love but sometimes its a lost cause. Failure can teach you more then success. Hell the boat was free only lost about $90, My time is cheap, Good thing is that I spent some more time on my jeep and now it looks more like something worth selling.

#571582 - 08/13/18 04:33 PM Re: new motor [Re: benlow68]  
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Just saw this on another site:

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So I have purchased my new Repower. A new Penta V8-350-CE with DPS drive, EVC and the full works.
However I have come to fit it and the transom is rotten as hell!
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Yikes, I am starting to worry about my transom. shocked



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#571583 - 08/14/18 01:01 PM Re: new motor [Re: benlow68]  
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My boat is a tick away from 30 years old, and pretty much every part of maintenance makes me nervous. So far, all my issues have been minor or par for the course.

I recently put a new depth finder in, and had to put a new transducer on of course. I took the time to drill out the old holes and patch with a filler before sealing it all up, and every time the drill bit came out with nice clean dry wood shavings I was a happy man.

I feel like I could do a fair amount of engine maintenance, but a bad transom would be the end of my beloved watercraft and that is terrifying.


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#571585 - 08/14/18 01:39 PM Re: new motor [Re: benlow68]  
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google video's on transom repairs, I found some yesterday, some guy replacing the transom in a 22' Searay in a series of video blogs... Was less difficult to do than I realized.

And FWIW, the transom in that particular boat went bad because Sea Ray failed to properly seal the garboard drain hole between the transom wood and the outer glass skin, so basically any water that ever sat in the bilge got wicked up into the wood...


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#571595 - 08/15/18 10:29 PM Re: new motor [Re: benlow68]  
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"Yikes, I am starting to worry about my transom. shocked."

Make me number 2. Although, the boat has a lifetime hull warranty. OK, but if the company changes hands or closes down..............


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