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#571445 - 07/20/18 05:35 PM Branson tragedy  
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/0f25ee7f-5f3c-3285-aee6-1cf7685934f0/ss_videos-show-tourist-boats.html

Very sad. Big storm came with winds up to 80 mph & the ducks could not overcome the conditions. We have actually been on these ducks about 15 years ago.


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#571446 - 07/20/18 05:38 PM Re: Branson tragedy [Re: captkevin]  
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#571447 - 07/20/18 08:05 PM Re: Branson tragedy [Re: captkevin]  
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Saw that on the cobalt sight as well. So sad.


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#571448 - 07/21/18 10:33 AM Re: Branson tragedy [Re: captkevin]  
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I didn't read the article on my Kindle last night but the headline was "The Captain Said We Didn't Need Our LIfejackets."

Sad if that was real. Most of an entire family wiped out in this tragedy. I can't even imagine how everyone who survived must feel.


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#571449 - 07/21/18 11:32 PM Re: Branson tragedy [Re: captkevin]  
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I'm curious as to opinions on whether the Captain should have/could have just turned the boat around and put the storm astern-? I've done that more than once, seemed to work for me...


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#571450 - 07/22/18 03:15 AM Re: Branson tragedy [Re: captkevin]  
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Dunno about running down wind. But I would consider trying to put myself in the lee of the big cruise boat nearby.

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#571454 - 07/22/18 05:30 PM Re: Branson tragedy [Re: captkevin]  
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Something in the news this morning suggested the winds were blowing hard when the boat went out. This is gonna cost someone mucho dinero.


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#571455 - 07/22/18 07:03 PM Re: Branson tragedy [Re: captkevin]  
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Article i read said the winds at the airport close by were reported up to 80 mph & expected they would have been stronger on the water. They had an idea storms were coming because the office radioed the duck operators & instructed to do the water part of the ride 1st instead of last as normal due to conditions. Another article said the ducks have several flaws that make them dangerous in rough water. #1 the exhaust is very low & in rough seas it is very easy for the water to get into the exhaust & stop the engine. #2 the canopies on them are low & make it very easy for passengers to get trapped underneath if the duck is going down. Hope they have good insurance.


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#571460 - 07/23/18 01:22 PM Re: Branson tragedy [Re: captkevin]  
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The media reported early on that the Captain told the passengers that they did not need life vests, which gives the impression that they were not made available. However, I saw one of the survivors in an interview state that the Captain informed the passengers at the start that the life vests are stored above their seats, and they come in 3 sizes (S,M,L), and then the stated something to the affect that you won't be needing them. The media seems to be focusing on the statement about "not needing them", which I don't think is a factor. For me, the question is did the captain instruct the passengers to put on the life vests when the water got really rough (or when the duck started taking on water)?

In watching the video, the duck boat appears to be dong ok (at least on par with the other boat visible in the video), and then suddenly turns 90 degrees to port, taking waves on the beam. The boat quickly returns to the original course, but seems to be riding noticeably lower in the water after the turn. I wonder if something happened inside the boat that caused the captain to leave the helm for a brief moment? Perhaps a window opened/failed, a mechanical issue, or an issue with a sick or distressed passenger?

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#571464 - 07/23/18 06:31 PM Re: Branson tragedy [Re: captkevin]  
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I read an article that was quoting an Inspector that had warned about several things not being safe, one was that the exhaust was in the front of that boat, makes it too easy to kill the engine in rough weather.


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#571471 - 07/24/18 03:17 PM Re: Branson tragedy [Re: captkevin]  
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We have duck boats in Boston . . . one of the favorite tourist attractions. I have never been on one since I am a local. They look like rocks . . .

No way should they have gone out in any kind of wind or storm forecast. Once conditions got bad , you would think they would head for shore, any shore, and ride it out.

I just don't understand. The people aboard must have been pooping bricks.


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#571482 - 07/25/18 11:06 AM Re: Branson tragedy [Re: captkevin]  
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/f27f65a4-b86d-3d70-98f2-476be5fd4584/ss_doomed-duck-boat%27s-designer.html

Yet another article.


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#571494 - 07/27/18 08:52 AM Re: Branson tragedy [Re: captkevin]  
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I've never been on one. A friend who is famailiar with ducks from the marine corp says there are lots of flaws. The exhaust in the front of the boat is just one. In addition he said the ducks generally leak badly and have engine driven pumps to control water ingress. As soon as the engine died the duck wouldn't have been able to pump water overboard. In addition the ducks used by the military don't have a roof. The installation of the roof would effect the center of buoyancy and stability. In addition, the roof and windows would make escape much more difficult in an emergency. I saw the film on TV, there was very little freeboard on the duck.

I've heard lots of stuff about the weather on the news, but suspect much of what's being said isn't accurate, simply because I've heard too many contradictions. I'm going to try to follow this through the USCG and the NTSB.


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#571495 - 07/29/18 12:57 AM Re: Branson tragedy [Re: captkevin]  
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Just returned from 3 nights in Boston. We went on the ducks there as part of the Boston Go Pass. All of the Boston ducks are replicas but the design definitely looks dated so imagine pretty close to the originals. The Boston ride is pretty tame, a brief cruise in the Charles river so it is pretty protected in most conditions. We had a fair day so I felt okay, if it had been the weather from the day before I may have very well skipped it. Nonetheless I was happy when we got back on land...which is just not the right feeling for a boating lover like me.

They did not mention the tragedy in Missouri and I definitely felt strange about the whole thing. I had a chat with my teenage kids before we boarded re: what had happened and to take note of where the life vests were and exits. I told them I was not trying to scare them, but just as in any situation where they are in a new environment they should take a look around, run through some scenarios in their minds and then enjoy the experience. We also went over how to respond if they ever get disoriented under water (we live right near a lake and have a pool)....fight the urge to panic...you can hold your breath over a minute and maybe 2 or more if you don't panic and have to...which is actually quite a long time...look for light and if necessary release a few bubbles and follow them up.

The life vests on these ducks were overhead. One end is tucked into a slot along the inside of the outside roof edge and the other end is held in place by a velcro strap with a yellow tab on the end. Very easy access...not stowed in a chest or under seats as I've seen in some boats. There is NO reason every person on those ducks should not have had a life vest on in those conditions. There is zero cost to putting on vests. I'm sure they were trying to reassure the passengers whether the "won't need them" comment came early or later, but to me it appears to be the definition of negligence in this tragedy when the captain's first responsibility is the safety of those on board. I blame the adults on board as well but can give some of them leeway if they had no prior boating experience and trusted in the safety of the vessel and operator. I wasn't there so shouldn't really speculate, but can't imagine not pulling those down in those winds and waves. But hey we were the only parents I've seen have our young kids wear life vests when playing in the ocean so we didn't have to worry about them catching a rip tide; they never complained b/c they were used to them from boating...and the extra floatation actually made it more fun for them in the waves.

I can tell you sitting there and looking out the windows, the ducks do not ride that high in the water, and looking up at the fixed roof and fore and aft to see there are no exit doors it was not a comforting feeling imagining trying to get out those windows with the boat underwater. They are large enough, but you would need to be pretty agile and keep your wits about you....a pretty big ask for the average tourist crowd...especially if the it goes down at an angle...also add the plastic windows being pulled down and snapped or zipped in place.

On a different note, we really enjoyed our time in Boston...really accessible and manageable city to get around if you like to walk or bike (public transportation available as well). We stayed in Little Italy and loved the location.


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#571502 - 07/30/18 02:51 AM Re: Branson tragedy [Re: athiker]  
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the ducks do not ride that high in the water

I enjoy lowriders a lot more than high freeboard boats. But I will make an exception for the ducks, those things are nutz.

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#571507 - 07/30/18 02:05 PM Re: Branson tragedy [Re: captkevin]  
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Lawsuits have been filed (despite the fact that the NTSB investigation is not complete yet). In order to abide by BABC rules, I will refrain from sharing my personal thoughts on the matter. bug_eyes


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INDIANAPOLIS – Relatives of two of the nine Indianapolis family members killed when a duck boat sank in a Missouri lake have filed a federal wrongful death lawsuit seeking $100 million in damages.

"Duck Boats are death traps for passengers and pose grave danger to the public on water and on land," the estates of Irvin Coleman, 76, and 2-year-old Maxwell Coleman-Ly said in a suit filed Sunday in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Missouri.

The lawsuit blames the July 19 tragedy on "decades of unacceptable, greed-driven and willful ignorance of safety by the Duck Boat industry."

The families are seeking $100 million in the lawsuit against the owners of Ride the Ducks Branson. The Coleman family victims were among 17 people killed when a tour boat sank in Branson, Missouri.





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#571509 - 07/30/18 02:59 PM Re: Branson tragedy [Re: captkevin]  
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No big surprises there.


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