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#570155 - 01/28/18 12:57 PM Who would buy one of these?  
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I was reading an article in the paper this morning about driverless cars being available for purchase in about 5 years. That got me to thinking if I would buy one.

I decided I probably wouldn't because I don't really see a need for one. I enjoy driving. Being retired, we take a lot of day trips around the Phoenix area to explore places and events and I don't mind driving. Even on longer trips I find it relaxing. Driving that is, not being stuck in bumper to bumper traffic in a miles long traffic jam.

That got me to wondering how many people I know would likely buy one and I don't think may would.

So, what say you? Would you be likely to buy a driverless car?


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#570157 - 01/28/18 01:14 PM Re: Who would buy one of these? [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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Nope:
I would like to know how they expect the technology of the personal computer to be 100% of what they need to do. There is always something the programmers missed, and the electronics assemblies really haven't changed drastically since the 80's. And, we all know how reliable our computers are.


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#570158 - 01/28/18 01:22 PM Re: Who would buy one of these? [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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No interest in one here


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#570160 - 01/28/18 03:08 PM Re: Who would buy one of these? [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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Not sure I would until such time as I have difficulty driving.
A young techy friend of mine is really putting a lot of thought into how it would change our structure.
He envisions that many people would invest in a "auto time share".

You don't own a car, you instead have an app where you log in where you need to be and when. For daily commutes it would be like a car pool, picks you up at your door, drops you off at your door. You may have other riders with you. No need to pay for parking the car is elsewhere when you don't need it. You would have the flexibility of a small care for most of the time when you commute or do grocery shopping, a large vehicle or pickup when you need to move things. Gas stations and repair shops can now be located where real estate is cheap and their current locations can be sold for a profit. Self charging cars would make things simple, they would just park over an inductive coil.

I can't remember all the other details he went into but to me is sounded like logical progression of the concept. He want to invest early in certain business models.

This would be wonderful for my mother, she should not be driving.


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#570162 - 01/28/18 04:24 PM Re: Who would buy one of these? [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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An emphatic NO!

Just one of a very large number of examples why.

Sure... Here's another

Still another.

I could go on and on.

The technology is very immature and there is the very real danger of malicious actors gaining control of your car.

I have zero confidence in the security aspect and will never gain any as long as we continually see major government and corporation security breaches. Meaning... never.





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#570169 - 01/29/18 01:22 PM Re: Who would buy one of these? [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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I'm not sure I'd ever buy one. When I see the accidents involving driverless cars it's almost always the fault of the other vehicle, but I can't help but wonder if human eyes might have seen the accident developing earlier and might have avoided the accident.

Another concern, if the AI software misses something and you are hit and injured or killed by a driverless vehicle, what insurance company picks up the tab for your injuries--yours, the insurance company of the driverless car manufacturer, the other owner's insurance?

Going to be some interesting questions for the courts to figure out.


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Or when the computers take over like in Terminator


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#570175 - 01/29/18 03:28 PM Re: Who would buy one of these? [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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This issue of courts figuring it out is spot on.


How about this idiot?



Then there is the guy who got killed in while his car was on auto-pilot.


Quoted from the article...

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A Tesla spokeswoman Keely Sulprizio declined to comment on the NTSB report. In 2016, the company said Autopilot "does not allow the driver to abdicate responsibility," however.


But that is exactly what will happen.


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NHTSA said Brown did not apply the brakes and his last action was to set the cruise control at 74 miles (119 km) per hour less than two minutes before the crash -- above the 65 mph speed limit.

The agency said the truck should have been visible to Brown for at least seven seconds before impact. Brown "took no braking, steering or other actions to avoid the collision," the report said.


Sure, the truck driver in this incident was charged, but the guy not driving his car is equally at fault in my mind as he could have taken evasive maneuvers IF he had been paying attention. That and he set the cruse control to 9 mph over the speed limit. Foolish mistakes that got himself killed.

What about all these cars with the various "safety" enhancements. It will create a false sense of security and tend to create drivers who are less vigilant. I can see the lawsuits now where people run over someone and then claim it is the car's fault for not stopping automatically. They'll be looking to blame the car company for their negligence.

There is a commercial where the car does an auto emergency brake to avoid hitting a dog. After the car stops they show the whole family in the car laughing about the incident. Seriously? Laughing about how you were not paying any attention to your driving and your car had to save you from your own dumb a-- actions? Wow!

I most definitely am not a fan of the trend toward self-driving cars. wink

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#570176 - 01/29/18 03:53 PM Re: Who would buy one of these? [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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It always amazes me how technology continues to make people dumber - self driving cars being yet the latest example.


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Legal side of the whole self driving car is probably going to be the biggest obstacle as Gm is finding out too.

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/gm-faces-lawsuit-over-self-142900503.html


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"It always amazes me how technology continues to make people dumber - self driving cars being yet the latest example."

And not just dumber, but dumber because they actually trust (don't know any better) the technology, the engineers, and the hardware.

Two questions:
1. If they can't drive cars, how are they going to drive boats?
2. When do you suppose we will have self-piloting boats? Maybe we already have them. We have been on a few river boat cruises. Some of the time when I was on the bridge, the captain was not driving (talking to me), but I sat in the big comfortable captain's chair as the GPS auto-pilot was guiding the ship.


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#570180 - 01/29/18 07:19 PM Re: Who would buy one of these? [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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Who do I flip the bird at when one of those things cut me off?


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#570181 - 01/29/18 07:37 PM Re: Who would buy one of these? [Re: WaterWing]  
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Originally Posted by WaterWing
Who do I flip the bird at when one of those things cut me off?



Now That's funny! roflmao



Auto-Pilot an aircraft at 30,000 feet? No problem.

Auto-Pilot a large craft at sea? No problem.

Auto-Pilot a 4,000+ pound vehicle traveling 70 mph in close proximity to other vehicles (Auto-Piloted or not)? You have GOT to be freaking kidding me!

The tech IS available to do so safely, but not at the "consumer grade" price point (meaning affordable without massive subsidies). And there is still (and likely will be for the foreseeable future) the security issue.




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I can see one big advantage: Let's say I'm in Phoenix and want to send the car home to our digs in Washington. Just before I leave for the airport I program the car to drive itself to WA. I'd load it with booze (which is unbelievably cheap down here) and just send it on it's way. Now granted, that assumes the car gets about a bazillion miles per gallon and can make it home without refueling. But the plus side of having a car you could program to do a trip like that is it could drive 24/7 to its destination.

Google Maps shows it as 18 hours, 9 minutes to home. I'd be home in about 2. 5 hours and waiting for the car to show up the next day. Win-win all the way around.


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GFS, I know, load it up with open liquor and have it zig-zag down the road. Would love to see the cops expression when he thinks the self-driving car has been drinking.


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I can see a benefit for my 80 year old Mother in Law. Drive her to the grocery store or to the Doctors office. Currently my wife has to drive 60 miles each way to do her Mom's shopping, Doctor visits etc. She could use Uber I guess which will be driverless.


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I'll be the dissenting voice, I'm all for it. In particular for long freeway trips - I'd love to be more relaxed while doing that. I really do believe those situations will be safer as the less people grabbing for cell phones and distracted by unwrapping their big mac the better. There's a lot less variables for the smart car to deal with on the freeway then in city driving.

I'm more leery about city driving for many of the reasons stated above, but time will tell.


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CB, you may get your wish sooner than you think. Waygo announced that they will be bringing a fleet of Pacifica mini vans to the Phoenix area this year that will be driverless. The article in the paper mentioned Waygo had tried out Detroit as a test area last year but didn't say anything about the results of their testing.


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Originally Posted by GoFirstClass
CB, you may get your wish sooner than you think. Waygo announced that they will be bringing a fleet of Pacifica mini vans to the Phoenix area this year that will be driverless. The article in the paper mentioned Waygo had tried out Detroit as a test area last year but didn't say anything about the results of their testing.


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Yeah, I know, it's Waymo not Waygo. Had my head up my butt this morning and it gave me tunnel vision.

Joe, I went to WAYMO's website to look at what they're offering. They're in the SE part of Phoenix and we're in the NW corner so it wouldn't work. I think it would be fun to be a volunteer driver.


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