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#569996 - 01/10/18 10:41 AM E15 Fuel - Why?  
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I pulled into my favorite gas station the other day and was surprised that the mid-grade fuel (89 octane, 10% ethanol) had been replaced with an E15 fuel (15% ethanol), which is 88 octane and priced slightly lower than the 87 octane / E10 fuel. There was also a warning label not to use the E15 fuel in older vehicles or boats (the warning was very specific, but I don't recall the details).

The premium fuel at this particular station is ethanol free (E0?), 91 Octane. That is what I typically use as I try to avoid ethanol if I can.

My question to you is: Why would anyone want to use the E15 fuel? While is is cheaper, it also will provide less MPG and comes with a greater risk of issues? I can't see using this for any vehicle other than a "flex fuel" vehicle that can burn up to E85. idn





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#569998 - 01/10/18 01:02 PM Re: E15 Fuel - Why? [Re: Dock Holiday]  
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I"m thinking the only reason it was ever created was due to a strong corn lobby. Ethanol, from what I understand costs more to produce than what it will ever save in fuel savings.

Dock, I'd be looking for a different station to buy my gas at.


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#570000 - 01/10/18 01:30 PM Re: E15 Fuel - Why? [Re: Dock Holiday]  
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Way too many people only see the lower price and don't understand the lower performance they're also getting. Drives me crazy every time I have to pay an extra 1.00 to 1.50 a gallon to put 'recreational' fuel in the boat. That's on the trailer, we all know marina gas is even more!


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#570001 - 01/10/18 01:30 PM Re: E15 Fuel - Why? [Re: Dock Holiday]  
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Have seen some stations that have many different options & don't know what vehicles use those grades?


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#570002 - 01/10/18 03:55 PM Re: E15 Fuel - Why? [Re: casualboater]  
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Originally Posted by casualboater
Way too many people only see the lower price and don't understand the lower performance they're also getting. Drives me crazy every time I have to pay an extra 1.00 to 1.50 a gallon to put 'recreational' fuel in the boat. That's on the trailer, we all know marina gas is even more!

Our marina gas is all E10 and we don't have any choice about the matter.



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#570003 - 01/10/18 07:50 PM Re: E15 Fuel - Why? [Re: Dock Holiday]  
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Our gas at our club and at the marina where I dock my boat is all ethanol free gas. At the club it's the high octane stuff and it's usually a dime a gallon cheaper than you pay for regular unleaded at the discount pumps on the street.

I put 100 gallons of diesel in the boat last week at $2.33.9 per gallon. That's a LOT cheaper than it is on the street.


On a related note, in WA, gas pumped into a boat qualifies for a refund on the highway tax portion of the price. All a boater has to do is save his fuel receipts for the boat and send them in to the state at the end of the year.


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#570005 - 01/11/18 07:57 AM Re: E15 Fuel - Why? [Re: Dock Holiday]  
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I think the industry is testing e15 to eventually replace e10 as older cars are disappearing. To me, it’s not worth the few pennies you save as your mileage does drop.

Interesting Dock that the gas station didn’t have warning labels for e15. That can mess up the older cars/boats lending itself to lawsuits.


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#570006 - 01/11/18 11:16 AM Re: E15 Fuel - Why? [Re: WaterWing]  
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Originally Posted by WaterWing
Interesting Dock that the gas station didn’t have warning labels for e15. That can mess up the older cars/boats lending itself to lawsuits.


The pump did have a warning label for older cars and boats.

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GoFirstClass that is great that your state doesn't make you pay road tax on fuel for recreational use. Have always felt that should be the case.


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#570009 - 01/11/18 02:06 PM Re: E15 Fuel - Why? [Re: Dock Holiday]  
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There are lots of E free gas at my lake house, I did an experiment by putting in some E free gas to see if I obtained better fuel mileage. The problem with my experiment is I already had a half a tank. The E free gas was the same price as my E10 gas in PA which by the way has one of the highest gas tax in the nation now.


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#570011 - 01/11/18 06:58 PM Re: E15 Fuel - Why? [Re: Dock Holiday]  
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OH, Yup, PA is #1, WA is #2. Ain't it great to be from states that are leaders in the nation......NOT!!


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#570014 - 01/12/18 09:42 AM Re: E15 Fuel - Why? [Re: Dock Holiday]  
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When we travel to our lake house in Virginia we get enough fuel to get us into VA and do a fill up. On our way back we top off just before leaving VA.


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#570016 - 01/12/18 12:00 PM Re: E15 Fuel - Why? [Re: WaterWing]  
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Originally Posted by WaterWing
I think the industry is testing e15 to eventually replace e10 as older cars are disappearing. To me, it’s not worth the few pennies you save as your mileage does drop.

Interesting Dock that the gas station didn’t have warning labels for e15. That can mess up the older cars/boats lending itself to lawsuits.


They're not disappearing from my driveway! We have a 2000, 2007 and a 2012. The 2012 is a hybrid, and I don't think any of them are E15 rated. We run them until they can't run any more, it's by far the most economical way to do it.


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#570017 - 01/12/18 12:40 PM Re: E15 Fuel - Why? [Re: casualboater]  
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Originally Posted by casualboater
They're not disappearing from my driveway! We have a 2000, 2007 and a 2012. The 2012 is a hybrid, and I don't think any of them are E15 rated. We run them until they can't run any more, it's by far the most economical way to do it.

DING, DING, DING, we have a winner! CB, that is one of the most intelligent and sensible comments I've seen on here in awhile. I have a 1998, 2005 and 2012 and will drive them until they roll over and die.

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#570018 - 01/12/18 02:48 PM Re: E15 Fuel - Why? [Re: Dock Holiday]  
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I was on a truck forum and they were talking about tires, and this is one person's approach and my response.




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Why worry about the size wheels/tires, you will probably trade it before you have to replace them.



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I am glad people think this way so there will be plenty of used trucks with 40-50k miles on them. As for me, my truck is 15 years old and my car is close to 20 years.


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#570021 - 01/12/18 07:16 PM Re: E15 Fuel - Why? [Re: Dock Holiday]  
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My "new" truck will be 20 years old in March, and my cars are 26 and 44 years old. All are well over 100K miles. The F350 is a diesel, and both cars predate ethanol laced fuel so I have had to resolve fuel damage issues on both. Don't get me started on the reduced mileage of USLD diesel and E10.

The Trojan is only 43 years old and has to run E10 along with its issues on 1975 engines. I wonder if I could get another knot or two on top speed if I could get real gasoline?



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Originally Posted by WayWeGo
The Trojan is only 43 years old and has to run E10 along with its issues on 1975 engines. I wonder if I could get another knot or two on top speed if I could get real gasoline?

Shoot WWG, put Premium in it and you'll be running 25-30kts on cruise and 35kts at WOT! d d


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#570023 - 01/12/18 07:55 PM Re: E15 Fuel - Why? [Re: Dock Holiday]  
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My oldest vehicle is 83 years old, the newest only a few. Our most driven are 55, 16 and 9. I haven't had any noticeable issues with E10 but I would much prefer gas with no ethanol. Our two newest are rated for E15 but I'm in no hurry to try it.


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Originally Posted by kdl
My oldest vehicle is 83 years old, the newest only a few. Our most driven are 55,


Pictures of those two or it didn't happen bow

And I thought I was the resident cheapskate with my 27 year old truck, with my "new" truck being almost 14 years old now.


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Originally Posted by GoFirstClass
I"m thinking the only reason it was ever created was due to a strong corn lobby. Ethanol, from what I understand costs more to produce than what it will ever save in fuel savings.

Dock, I'd be looking for a different station to buy my gas at.


My thought as well. Most people don't understand the difference or only look on the cap where it says e85 ok. They also don't track mileage to see what gives them the best roi.

We can buy e0 from a few local stations and I maintain a card lock account so I can buy e0 in all grades. Most local stations only carry one grade. Since we have been here several more stations have picked up ethanol free so the card lock is less important .

The 88 suburban and boat get e0. The 00 Subaru gets e10 because my wife doesn't look for it and it doesn't matter for her car. The truck gets diesel and runs 2 separate 2 micron filters.


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