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#569829 - 12/21/17 07:56 PM Re: Drain the Great Lakes......... [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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And the states that border the Snake and Columbia Rivers have to release a certain amount of water (higher than normal flows) to help the salmon in their migration upstream to spawn. All of that in the face of the fact that the release of higher than normal flows results in higher than normal levels of nitrogen in the water which is harmful to all the fish species in the rivers.

They have shown great results from barging the salmon smolt down the rivers but that doesn't relieve them of the mandate to release the extra water.

Go figure.


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#569840 - 12/22/17 09:48 AM Re: Drain the Great Lakes......... [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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Water is definitely a tricky deal. Can't live without it but too much or too little is a problem.


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#569915 - 12/27/17 01:56 PM Re: Drain the Great Lakes......... [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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Just came across an article about the private water company that handles the town where we live.

http://graphics.chicagotribune.com/news/lake-michigan-drinking-water-rates/privatization.html


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#569917 - 12/27/17 02:43 PM Re: Drain the Great Lakes......... [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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Kind of knocks a big hole in the supply (you have plenty of water on the big lake) and demand (relatively low because your year-round weather is pretty high in precipitation) concept we learned in school. Of course, that theory relies on a free market, which utilities are not.

At our mountain home at Lake Arrowhead has one primary source of water--the lake, and because we get so little precipitation, conservation is very important to keep the lake usable. We typically pay $90 a month for water and sewer, whether or not we are using the home. That sucks! Same thing with trash pickup--we pay even if we haul our trash home. Go figure.


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#569924 - 12/28/17 03:06 AM Re: Drain the Great Lakes......... [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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Check This out! Photos of Lake Erie that cant be perceived by the naked eye.

https://blog.boathouse.ca/forces-of-nature-at-work-fantastic-photography-lake-erie-by-milton-davis/


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#569925 - 12/28/17 08:38 AM Re: Drain the Great Lakes......... [Re: captkevin]  
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Originally Posted by captkevin
Just came across an article about the private water company that handles the town where we live.

http://graphics.chicagotribune.com/news/lake-michigan-drinking-water-rates/privatization.html



That's some expensive water. My highest bill this past summer was $75 for 5000 cubic feet or 37,000 gallons, sprinklers ran a lot and drain and fill hot tub. Sewage was $113 but had $78 deducted from that because 2nd water meter for water used outside.

My city buys water from two other cities but has it's own sewage treatment plant.


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#569930 - 12/29/17 08:28 AM Re: Drain the Great Lakes......... [Re: captkevin]  
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Originally Posted by captkevin
Just came across an article about the private water company that handles the town where we live.

http://graphics.chicagotribune.com/news/lake-michigan-drinking-water-rates/privatization.html



The article mentions the situation here in Peoria with IAW. The subject of buying the water system does come up every so many years. As a general statement, I agree that a municipality is better off owning their own water distribution system. But, with our poor leadership here's how I see it going:

- city pays way too much money for a water distribution system that has parts that are over 100 years old.
- city creates water utility to manage and operate it.
- water utility is overseen by city leadership making it inefficient because, well, that's what city government does.
- any profit that is generated is sucked out the utility and used for more stupid public/private projects that are doomed to fail from the start.
- water distribution infrastructure continues to fail with no money to repair/replace.
- city government raises water rates after a campaign of tv and radio commercials saying how the citizens need to do this to protect our interests.
- people will buy it without holding our leadership accountable.
- they again suck the money out of the utility (after a water main main reconstruction project along a major road so everyone can see it. With signs thanking the constituents for their money)
- a few years later they say they need another rate increase and we start the dance all over again.


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#569931 - 12/29/17 12:59 PM Re: Drain the Great Lakes......... [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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2Suns, I'm sure there are others out here who, after reading your post, are thinking along the lines of "dang, he lives in a city much like mine!"


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