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#569559 - 10/31/17 12:57 PM Tire dilemma for truck.  
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Have a little tire dilemma. Truck and suburban use same tire. They both us BFG AT TA KO 10 ply tires.

Truck tires are 3 years old and have another year in them. Suburban tires are 6 years old and barely any wear. Just starting to get some sidewall cracks.

I cant just swap them as truck rims have a different inside hub diameter or I would have done that.

It'll cost me $120 to swap tires onto other rims.

So, do I swap the tires or just let it ride knowing that age will ruin the suburban tires before wear.

My truck gets used on hunting trails and for towing so I don't really want to put it in jeopardy. But I hate wasting resources.

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#569560 - 10/31/17 01:23 PM Re: Tire dilemma for truck. [Re: Silverbullet]  
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That is a tough call. Not sure what i would do.


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Cheapskate that I am, I'd step up for the $120 swap, knowing that in the long run it's going to save me a ton of green backs.

C'mon James, that's hunting money you're talking about.


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#569568 - 10/31/17 10:28 PM Re: Tire dilemma for truck. [Re: Silverbullet]  
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I'll be honest about the tires on my half ton being over 11 years old now. Michelin LTX-ATs with about 65000 miles, and lots of tread left.
Costco told me they can't rotate them anymore due to age, but I'm not seeing any evidence of sidewall problems and no abnormal ride issues..
Should I replace them, to be honest yes. Will I? most likely not SInce I'm still planning on some restoration/modification and wheels will be part of the update. Can't see buying new tires before I find out what will be on the truck when done.

Given that information, I'd leave the tires on the Suburban alone and let them age out in another couple of years. Assuming the tread is good enough to get you through this winter, wear out the tires on the truck and replace them next year before the hunting/snow season.


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#569572 - 11/01/17 10:18 AM Re: Tire dilemma for truck. [Re: Silverbullet]  
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Justification mentions Michelin tires. I feel the same way about them, but not many other brands. Actually, I haven't had any experience with any other brand except Goodyear trailer tires and Goodyear tires for the Tahoe. Goodyears seem to last a relatively short time due to cracking or just fast wear out. Our 2002 Tahoe has the original spare, and America's Tire will not even inflate it anymore because it is older than 10 years. Liability issues, I guess. i have looked at it, and there seems to be no cracking, probably because it hasn't seen the sun its entire lifetime.


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My last set of Yokohama on my work truck were so split at 5 year old I was nervous to driving to the tire store. Have always been to cheap to pay for Michelins. My wifes Cadillac SRX came with Michelins new & they were completely wore out @ 34K. Have never had BF Goodrich but it seems that everywhere recommends replacement @ 5 years for age. Guessing you don't drive the Suburban that much so the change could work but then you could end up having to replace tires on both.


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A set of new tires for your truck is probably close to $1k so $120 is 1/10th the cost. I would go this route based on the information you shared.


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I also would pony up the $120.

I've had Goodyear, Firestone, BFG, Bridgestone, Michelin and Yokohama.

Goodyear: I don't recall the models at this point but my '01 Wrangler had a set that came from factory. They were OK tires, but I lifted the Jeep and put on a set of 33" BFG MTs. The second set of Goodyears I owned came on my '04 Nissan Titan. They were shot and I replaced them at about 38k with a set of Michelins.

Firestone: Had a set on a '03 Saturn VUE AWD. Two of those blew out for no apparent reason within the 2 or so years I had that vehicle. Replaced both with the same (warranty).

BFG: Had one set of these on my Jeep. The M/Ts were good tires, but at 19k, they were getting pretty worn, even with regular rotation. I traded the Jeep for the Nissan Titan.

Michelin: The Michelins I put on my Titan had better grip, were quieter, and improved my gas consumption versus the Goodyears they replaced. There was plenty of tread left on them after about 55,000 miles, with regular rotation of all 5 tires. These tires were on the truck when I wrecked it in December 2011.

Bridgestone: CJSA's '08 Sequoia came with a set of Dueler H/Ts. The first set was good for about 60k. Replaced with the same tires, took us all the way to 93,000 when I sold that truck and replaced with a '17 Toyota 4Runner. I have a similar set of Bridgestone Dueler H/Ts on the '16 Sequoia I am driving now.

Yokohama: Got about 7,000 miles on the set that came on CJSA's T4R. So far, no complaints.

After the experience with the Titan, I always look first at Michelins when shopping for tires. Economics led me to the Bridgestones and factory choice, the Yokos.


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#569583 - 11/02/17 03:34 PM Re: Tire dilemma for truck. [Re: Silverbullet]  
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My suggestion would be to get new tires now for your truck and move current truck tires to Suburban. I would not risk being off road on trails or towing on 6 yr old tires whose sidewalls are starting to crack. Your 07 may have bigger wheels, but my 2000 Chevy 2500 has the stock 16 inch wheels. I bought new tires at Firestone last year for about $450.

You can probably sell the Suburban tires on Craigslist and recoup part of your cost.


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James, I guess I owe you a hearty THANKS. This thread prompted me to head to my local Discount Tire store to have the tires on my Exploder rotated. While there, the store manager told me there was a problem with one of my tires and showed me this:

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In case you can't see it well, that's a definite tread separation including a rupture of the steel belts. I asked the manager what was left beneath what we could see and he said there was a layer of rubber, another layer of steel belts and then the inner layer of the tire.

I'd hate to think what could have happened if that had blown out on the highway. It was on the front and could have made a helluva fun ride for a few seconds!

So, Thanks James.


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Wow that is scary GFC. Good catch.


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#569588 - 11/02/17 10:02 PM Re: Tire dilemma for truck. [Re: Silverbullet]  
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Had to double check. Yep you said "Exploder." Are they Firestone or Bridgestones? How old are they?


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I am researching tires for my 3/4 ton truck as the Michelin MS2 are dry rotted and tread is getting to minimums but first I am getting new ball joints replaced by a family member during Christmas.


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Originally Posted by Jack T
Had to double check. Yep you said "Exploder." Are they Firestone or Bridgestones? How old are they?

They're Goodyear, and they're about 3 years old.

I replaced the original equipment Firestones when they were recalled many years ago. Mine were almost at the tread wear indicators when I did it and I was given a freebie set of tires.

I'm not one who pays a lot of attention to tires. They're round, black, and don't thump when I go down the road. That's good enough for me. Or at least it was before this happened. Now I'll get them rotated on all cars annually.


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GFC if those tires are only 3 years old there should be some warranty for that I'd hope.


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There was. I didn't ask him what percentage there was remaining but it only cost me $43 for the new tire.

I think that's possibly one benefit of doing all your business with one company. Discount Tire has sold me all of my tires for about the past 10-12 years, maybe even longer than that. When they pull me up in their computer it shows the records of my purchases in WA and AZ. I don't know if that makes any difference with them, but it I were in business and saw that a customer standing in front of me and the computer showed he was a long standing customer, you'd bet I'd be making sure he never found as reason to leave and take his business elsewhere.

Unfortunately, except for lip service ("We appreciate that you've been a customer for XX years"), DirectTV doesn't seem to care. Over the last month or so I've spend about 3-4 hours on the phone with their No-Service Customer Service Dept trying to iron out the mess they created when one of their employees lied to me. That led to another lie I was told several months ago. They always state that their conversations may be recorded for training, but when I suggested they go back and listen to the recording from a few days earlier they hemmed and hawed around but never would admit that they really didn't record conversations.


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" I don't know if that makes any difference with them,,,,,"

In So Cal, the company is America's Tire. Like you, I have bought all my tires there since the late '80s. Most of the time, the sales guy makes a comment about how long I have been a customer. I believe I have had some good experiences because of it.

GFC:
Do you buy the certificates with your tires? Their deal is that you pay an extra amount, about 10%, and that tire is guaranteed for life for replacement, no matter what the treadwear is. It also includes repairable flat repair and rotating and re-balance every 5000 miles. They even send me an email message when this service is due. I just make an appointment and out of there in about 1/2 hour.

I have found the certificates have more than paid for themselves multiple times. Our VW Passat has some of the most expensive tires I have ever bought. They are low profile 18" tires from Michelin. Each one is about $240. The Passat, for example has had four unrepairable punctures in sidewalls. Without the certificates, new tires would have to be purchased. Because of the certificates that were purchased, the tires cost me nothing to replace, except new certificates on the new tires.

Another example was with the Subaru. We had a high speed blowout on the freeway one afternoon on tires that I was planning to replace because the tread was very close to the wear markers. Again, new tire at no cost. Without the certs, I would have had to pay for the tire.


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GFC you have got to love Discount Tire. They do a great job & have locations all over.


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Originally Posted by Jack T
GFC:
Do you buy the certificates with your tires? .

I'm not aware of a similar program with DIscount Tire. I used to have a friend that managed the Perfection Tire store near our home. He and I played softball together for quite a few years and he was the reason I always bought tires at Perfection. He retired so I started shopping around to see what store carried what tires.

I ended up at Discount Tire and have been very happy with them. Their prices are very competitive, they carry several brands that I can pick from and their service is very good.

Kevin, I could not agree more.


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Best part about Discount tires is they pro-rate their tires. If you have a blow out on a tire you bought from them & the tread is @ 50% you pay for that percentage.

Always found them to be very helpful, friendly & quick. Best part we have one about 2 miles from the house.

You do have to keep an eye on ebay. Discount tire online runs some really great deals & free shipping too.

Thats how i got my boat trailer tires - they were way cheaper then you could purchase in the store with the promotion they were running.


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I think we are talking about the same company. In San Diego, they are called Discount Tire, but in Los Angeles area and others, the name is America's Tire. Here is a company history link. Note the mention of both names.

http://www.atcorporate.com/?About/8


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My F350 came with Firestone tires that I was happy with, so I replaced them with the same tires. The next time I needed tires, I was no longer towing a heavy trailer, so I went with a more aggressive tread pattern for better traction in snow, but stuck with Firestones. After 20 years and 150K miles, I am now halfway through the third set and quite happy with the life and performance. Four tires mounted and balanced out the door was $760, so I am happy with the cost per mile as well.



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Put Bridgestones on my truck & wife suv. So far been very happy.


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back to the original question---

for pretty much the same money, get these, and never pay to have it done again! wink

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How hard would it be to use one of those??


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These are basically what gas stations used in the 60's-- With this one, the tube in front connected to the arms, that's the moving half of the bead breaker, welded to the leg below is the stationary breaker, it pushes up the tire from the bottom and holds the tire still once you insert the bar for some leverage and push down- pop goes the bead...

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--once both beads are broke, place the tire on top, lock it down and use the bar to pry the tire bead over the rim, then walk the bar around the upright pole to get the first half of the tire off the rim, then repeat for the bottom half. Reverse the procedure to re-mount the tire. The HARD part with these is getting the tires to air up. Usually takes a helper. Old tires are usually no problem, you hand-seat the bottom bead, then pull up the tire to get it against the rim while your helper adds air. New tires are pretty stiff and not too forgiving. An 'air belt' helps, it wraps around the middle of the tire, you add air, it gets bigger and squashes inward against the tread which presses the sidewalls outward. Or you can use the starting-fluid-and-a-match method wink In 1975 I was working for Budget Rent-a-car, and I did the snow tire swap on 26 cars with a manual tire changer. It was basically the same as this one except the bead breakers worked with the tire mounted to the changer. Once you get used to the procedure, you can off and on a tire in about 2 minutes. I have one of these changers and the balancer, got 'em for xmas last year, but haven't had a chance to use them yet smile

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Some good thoughts put there. Thanks for sharing. GFC, glad you saw that and was able to get it fixed.

Haven't decided what to do yet. I'll give it more thought now. I have studded tires for the winter and the tread is still good. I do like the idea of selling the ones off the suburban and putting the truck tires on the suburban. Kind of a blend.

Not worth it to mount my own as they still need to be balanced and today's balancers can do it multi dimensionally.


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This thread jinxed me on my Half ton.
I've been driving the Volvo my son wrecked as my daily driver airport car, with the Half Ton sitting in the garage while I decide how to proceed with her restoration.
Drove it the other day and she felt "squirrely". Sure enough Left Rear tire was low, and I found a nail in the middle of the of the tread area. Since the tires are 11 years old Costco won't fix them any more, and looking close there is some sidewall cracking.
Since I want to change the wheels out with the restoration, I'm now searching for what I want so I can replace the wheels and Tires at the same time.
Thanks for Lighting a fire and making me actually start looking seriously, before I was really ready to. ouch


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Sorry that we jinxed you. I would probably get a plug to put in the tire for the short term until you find what you are looking for in the way of wheels and tires.


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4 wheel parts has a sale right now for 4 of my tires, mounted and balanced, for $750. They are $100 off, they are paying tax and include mounting and balancing.

Gonna have to make the decision tomorrow.


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I went ahead and ordered the tires from 4 wheel parts. I was afraid I would wake up and the deal would be over. I actually ordered 5 as the spare is 10 years old and where I go to I should have a spare that I can trust.

Saved $150-$200 over other places with $100 off, no sales tax and free mounting and balances. Plus, I'll put in for a BFG rebate for $50 that might sweeten the deal.

I'll swap them for the ones on the truck. I think I will then swap the used tires on the Suburban and sell those newer ones. That should get me $300 back or so.

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Justi, Since (I'm assuming here) you're going to put some studly wheels and tires on that bad boy in the future, you probably don't want to spend a boat buck or more for tires now.


Why not look around your area for a used tire dealer, or a dealer that might have some "take offs"--tires that were removed from a truck so the owner could jazz it up with new tires and wheels.


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Good assumption there GFC. and a nice idea
I call wheels on cars Anna Nicole Lips since they make a huge difference on what the truck is presenting
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I had intended on having a local car customizer fix up the truck, but we're about 60-75 boat bucks apart on what I think I should spend, and what he want's to get it in his shop for at least 6 months. I think his clientele and I live in entirely different worlds.
Since the Volvo is 4wd and meets my needs for an airport car and winter driver, the truck is hiding out in the garage barely driven until I can come up a plan. or a body shop who can fix up some damage and repaint the truck, while I end up figuring out the customization on my own.
I'll probably end up starting a tear down on my own, and not worry about anything else until after she's painted. I've got the diesel or my youngest's truck for any hauling I may need to do.
As to the Wheels I'm kind of partial to this style from tire rack
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#569710 - 11/27/17 03:58 PM Re: Tire dilemma for truck. [Re: Silverbullet]  
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If I may, I would like to say that the one on the far right will keep its curb appeal for years. Maybe not so for the one of the far left. Definitely not for the center ones.


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#569712 - 11/27/17 04:21 PM Re: Tire dilemma for truck. [Re: Silverbullet]  
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For the record I like the non-lipstick lips better and I prefer stock wheels over custom wheels.


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My vote would be for the 1st choice


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#569714 - 11/27/17 08:46 PM Re: Tire dilemma for truck. [Re: Jack T]  
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Originally Posted by Jack T
will keep its curb appeal for years.

Pegged it as to what I'm looking to achieve. I like the machined face of the first one, but the design of the 4th, One of my concerns of me doing the design is getting a frankenstein build that looks "pieced together", which is why I wanted to go with this specific builder. I've seen his work up close and it is amazing, but out of my league.
Makes NO financial sense to rebuild this truck, but I have a deep love of it as it was my pilot training graduation present to myself.
Low tech with no remote door locks,or remote mirrors. It's got a cassette player with no bluetooth, and velour seats that still look new 26 years later. I like how it drives better than the newer (not new as it's now 13 years old) diesel, but it can't hold a candle to the diesel for towing power or room for a long drive.


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Sounds like a great project. Seeing what you did with the Volvo I'm sure it will come out great. Have contemplated doing something with my 2002 Dodge ram daily driver but am leaning more towards letting it go at this point.


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#569934 - 12/31/17 08:18 PM Re: Tire dilemma for truck. [Re: Silverbullet]  
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Moved the truck tires to the Suburban. That cost me $60. Sold the old suburban tires for 300 in under 3 hours on Craigslist.


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#569937 - 01/01/18 03:40 PM Re: Tire dilemma for truck. [Re: Silverbullet]  
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Wow that is great deal on the old tires. Never ceases to amaze me at how fast things move on craigslist.


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