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#513285 - 05/16/11 09:21 AM question about taking hot showers  
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Couldn't find any threads on this...

I'm considering a pocket cruiser, and was wondering how the hot shower works. Like, how long of a shower can you typically take on a small cruiser? Does it work if you are not hooked up to shore power/water? Specifically, I'm looking at small Sundancers, like the 240 or 250. Does the transon shower hook up to the sam ewater supply?


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#513291 - 05/16/11 10:44 AM Re: question about taking hot showers [Re: Puddle Pirate 2]  
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it depends on the boat and vintage, but expect between a 10 - 20 gallon fresh water holding tank and between a 6 - 12 gal hot water heater. a lot depends on space for the components (ie a single engine boat will have more space in the engine compartment for a bigger hot water heater).

the transom shower should be connected to your fresh water tank and you can get hot water when not connected to shore power (although when doing so, i believe you;re using battery power).

the bottom line is that you don't have a tremendous amount of water supply away from the dock, so you're going to take some pretty quick showers.

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#513295 - 05/16/11 11:40 AM Re: question about taking hot showers [Re: BToran]  
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Bruce was correct. Showers are done fast and furious. On our boat we get wet, turn off the water flow, soap up, turn on the water to rinse, then quickly turn it off again.

Many boats use the running engines to heat water but once you turn off the engines it starts to cool fairly quickly. On our boat once the engines are off we have to use the genset (or shore power) to keep it hot.


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#513300 - 05/16/11 12:30 PM Re: question about taking hot showers [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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Even though there is room for a larger hot water heater on the mini-express 240DA, they never put a larger heater in them. Plan on 6-12 gallon max as Bruce said.

On our second cruiser now, and used the shower once on each boat.
For emergency use only is how we view the shower on a boat.

I hope you are not dead set on a Sea Ray 240DA or 250DA. You can get much more useable space, and bang for your buck in this size boat if you open up other brands for your consideration. We looked at them all, and there are better choices.


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#513301 - 05/16/11 12:33 PM Re: question about taking hot showers [Re: Capn Morgan]  
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Where does gray water (shower/sinks) go on a boat? Is there a separate tank like an RV, or dump into black tank, or just dump over board? If the setup is anything like RV's, the issue is storage capacity for the gray water vs. hot water.


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#513303 - 05/16/11 12:40 PM Re: question about taking hot showers [Re: Puddle Pirate 2]  
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Originally Posted By: Puddle Pirate 2
....how long of a shower can you typically take on a small cruiser?


Simple math-

Say your shower head puts out 1.5 gpm.

Say of that water used in a shower, 2/3 is hot (may be closer to 75% on a boat because you're prolly not running the temp as high as at home).

Say you've got a ten gallon water heater.
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Roughly 1 gpm of your shower is straight hot.

You'll never get a full ten gallons out of your water heater. 70% is more like it. Leaves you with 7 gal of usable hot water.

1 gpm / 7 gallons = 7 minutes of shower using the figures I listed above.

Change that to a 6-gal. heater and you're barely getting wet.

I took the liberty of making some ASSumptions in the above, so YMMV.


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#513305 - 05/16/11 01:10 PM Re: question about taking hot showers [Re: 2Suns]  
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All great answers...thanks. And pretty much what I thought.

Capn Morgan - Yes, I am considering other makes. Wellcraft Martiniques, Larson Cabrios and other brands are in my search. I just use DA's as a benchmark because I like their styling and seating the best, and they are a dime a dozen. More important than make is condition and value. But the shower is a must for all the hot babes I'll have on board thumb rolleyes so that's why I asked. The marina I'm looking at does not have hot showers.


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#513308 - 05/16/11 01:33 PM Re: question about taking hot showers [Re: Puddle Pirate 2]  
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puddle - all is now revealed and you have no cause for worry. if you've got hot babes needing a shower, you don't need any capacity on your boat at all. plenty of your fellow boaters would be happy to tie up along side to help out. for those of us who are far away, remember that we like pictures.

hotbyte - for boats of this size (and even those considerably larger), shower water (as well as water from sinks) is simply pumped overboard.

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#513310 - 05/16/11 02:42 PM Re: question about taking hot showers [Re: Puddle Pirate 2]  
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Originally Posted By: Puddle Pirate 2
...But the shower is a must for all the hot babes I'll have on board thumb rolleyes so that's why I asked. The marina I'm looking at does not have hot showers.


Are you sure you don't want hot babes using cold, cold, cold water?


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#513311 - 05/16/11 02:44 PM Re: question about taking hot showers [Re: BToran]  
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Glad that the Sea Ray possibility is not "cast in stone". They are a dime a dozen in quantity on the market only, for alot less dime's you can get a newer boat with some more functionality. It just really depends on what you consider "important". It's always good to keep the hot babes happy, but in the long run, they will be happier if you get a slip in a marina that has hot showers (and a pool). Over time, you will need more than limited showering capabilities on a small cruiser to keep them happy. wink


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#513312 - 05/16/11 03:19 PM Re: question about taking hot showers [Re: HotByte]  
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FWIW, our houseboat has a 6 gallon water heater, and we do just fine. It also helps to have a whole shower too. But as mentioned before, get wet, soap and scrub, then rinse, there's plenty of hot water that way. Not a big deal unless you're one of those teenagers who has to drain a water heater for no apparent reason.

A 6 gallon water heater is actually a good lesson for 'em in conservation.
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Originally Posted By: HotByte
Where does gray water (shower/sinks) go on a boat? Is there a separate tank like an RV, or dump into black tank, or just dump over board?
In most boats, including our houseboat, gray water goes overboard. Some boats, like our party cruiser f'rinstance, have gray water tank(s). The PC has 2, the bath/shower floor is a gray water tank, and siamezed to to the 27 gallon fresh water tank is a 27 gallon gray water tank. (Myself, I've never closed the valves, so it all just goes overboard.)


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Our lake place has a small water heater.

It was good for our kids to learn how to take "Navy" showers.

Get wet, water off, soap up and scrub, rinse quickly.

We made the kids go last.

We could churn the whole family through the shower and be ready for a nice dinner at the Catfish Platter of Willis, Oklahoma in just under an hour.


How many of you know how to take a "Marine" shower?


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#513355 - 05/17/11 08:29 AM Re: question about taking hot showers [Re: Parrott_head]  
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Originally Posted By: Parrott_head
How many of you know how to take a "Marine" shower?


Lemme guess...take the blood of an angry dog, and ...

Only Coast Guard showers here. Please...no soap jokes.

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#513362 - 05/17/11 10:03 AM Re: question about taking hot showers [Re: Capn Morgan]  
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and BTW Capn Morgan...add Montereys to my list. I've seen a few of them in my range and they have nice lines and pretty good fit and finish.


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#513363 - 05/17/11 10:20 AM Re: question about taking hot showers [Re: Puddle Pirate 2]  
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Originally Posted By: Puddle Pirate 2
and BTW Capn Morgan...add Montereys to my list. I've seen a few of them in my range and they have nice lines and pretty good fit and finish.


I did not mean to add Montys' to your list, but just to look at everything you can, from as many builders that you can find. I will admit that I am extremely happy with the quality of our 282. I will also add that when we looked for our first cruiser, the clear winner in trailerable,bang for the buck and layout was the Four Winns 268 Vista. So we bought one.
But I do suspect with your comment that you like the cockpit layout of the Sea Ray 240DA, that you are partial to a port side lounger with a center cabin access, which the 268 does not have. If you do like that configuration, maybe a look at the Monterey 245 is in order. Very similar layout to the 240DA, but with improved mid cabin access.





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#513380 - 05/17/11 02:04 PM Re: question about taking hot showers [Re: Puddle Pirate 2]  
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Originally Posted By: Puddle Pirate 2
Originally Posted By: Parrott_head
How many of you know how to take a "Marine" shower?


Lemme guess...take the blood of an angry dog, and ...

Only Coast Guard showers here. Please...no soap jokes.

"Coast Guard...trained to kill, and make it look like a boating accident"


Too funny!


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#513401 - 05/17/11 07:01 PM Re: question about taking hot showers [Re: HotByte]  
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Originally Posted By: HotByte
Are you sure you don't want hot babes using cold, cold, cold water?
Exactly! The smaller the water heater, the better grin

#513436 - 05/18/11 07:33 AM Re: question about taking hot showers [Re: GregB]  
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Originally Posted By: GripB
Originally Posted By: HotByte
Are you sure you don't want hot babes using cold, cold, cold water?
Exactly! The smaller the water heater, the better grin


No, I want them to stay ON the boat. But I think I understand your logic.


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#513456 - 05/18/11 03:13 PM Re: question about taking hot showers [Re: Puddle Pirate 2]  
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When we had travel trailers they always had the 6 gallon hot water heaters. You learn real fast how to get it done in a hurry. Also in the camper all the water goes directly into the grey water tank which you don't want to do.


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#513459 - 05/18/11 03:41 PM Re: question about taking hot showers [Re: captkevin]  
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Originally Posted By: captkevin
When we had travel trailers they always had the 6 gallon hot water heaters. You learn real fast how to get it done in a hurry. Also in the camper all the water goes directly into the grey water tank which you don't want to do.


It feels to me that on both our previous 5th wheel and current motor home, the water is much hotter than residential water heater at home so more cold is mixed with it to be comfortable temp. Also, the 5'er had both electric heating element and propane heating. When several of us were showering one after the other, I would turn both on for quicker recovery.

I think the 5'er temp was adjustable but MH is preset and only adjustable by changing thermostats in tank.


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