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#329959 - 07/20/07 04:05 PM Re: battery replacement question [Re: deepv]  
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I have the blue Exide Orbital equivalent ORB34DC-48.

http://www.beiterbattery.com/orbitalbatteriesmarinedeepcycle34dc.htm

My first season with it, and have no assessment of it yet, but based on specs and reviews, I expect it to be the best out there. (fingers crossed). Worked some coupons and rebates to steal it at $125 net cost, from a major auto parts place.

My FIL put a conventional Exide in a classic car we bought for him, and that thing ALWAYS starts, even after sitting for months. Turned me on to Exide. Have since ditched my Die Hard in the Suburban for an Exide also.

I paired new Exide boat battery up with a Jump starter so if I jam too long on the hook, I should be set....

In any case whatever battery you choose, in the absence of a 2nd Battery (I don't use my boat enough to justify a 2nd one), I do suggest a Jump Starter just for peace of mind/backup.


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#330489 - 07/23/07 03:14 PM Re: battery replacement question [Re: kenhdog]  
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Standard starting/deep discharge batteries are about $55. My last one lasted four years. That would make three of these for one Optima, or about 12 years on the cheapos, but you have to go buy them, install them.

One thing that I found out when I replaced mine (other than it wouldn't hold a charge for a week) was that the charging voltage as indicated by the voltmeter on the dash would go to 13 to 14 volts on the old battery, but now is noticably higher with the new one. By the way, rather than relying on the boat alternator to fully charge the brand new battery, I put it on the charger for a week before installing it in the boat. Noticable difference in the cranking voltage.


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#330531 - 07/23/07 05:06 PM Re: battery replacement question [Re: Jack T]  
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My standard batteries (dual setup) are now 5 years old. They sit in the boat through the winter on the lift, and get no charging or special treatment whatsoever. I simply switch them "off" when I get out of the boat.

This year for the first time they didn't start the boat once when I forgot to turn the battery switch to off for about four weeks. Charged them back up and they've been fine ever since. I imagine I'll have to get new ones next spring.

I've seen the more expensive batteries, but unless they'll last 10-15 years, why bother - in five more years I probably won't have the boat.

#330551 - 07/23/07 06:26 PM Re: battery replacement question [Re: Indyboater]  
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The one thing that I like about the absorbed glass mat batteries is that they are clean. Mine is three years old and looks like the day I put it in the boat.


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#331205 - 07/25/07 04:31 PM Re: battery replacement question [Re: deepv]  
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Another vote for the Exide Orbital...
I have had one in my Trans Am for 5 years or so now and it has not missed a beat(the stock GM Delco batteries are known for leaking,Vette owners beware as the A/C compressor is below the battery)...
I also have an AGM in my motorcycle, for a long time now, with no issues either...
The AGM's have boat written all over them because as was noted above have nil self discharge...They can sit months or even years with virtually no discharge...and really,most boats can have difficult access to the batteries so why mess with them if you do not have to? Also...I got mine for $89.00 on the web with free shipping to my house...

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#493031 - 07/22/10 11:01 PM Re: battery replacement question [Re: kenhdog]  
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Originally Posted By: kenhdog
I have the blue Exide Orbital equivalent ORB34DC-48

My first season with it, and have no assessment of it yet, but based on specs and reviews, I expect it to be the best out there. (fingers crossed).


Well check this one off the list. 3 years and gone. (One of my 'bad' assessments from my recent trip)

In fact, I'm checking all "Spiral AGM"s of the list, including Optima. I getting the impression all of them are gone in about 3 years, if that.

Likely Next up: The Odyssey 34M-PC1500 rebadge/ Enersys OEM from Sears, their DieHard Marine Platinum PM-2.

It's an AGM (not Spiral AGM) and hopefully it'll last 4 of more seasons with care.

If not, then back to flooded cell....


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#493056 - 07/23/10 09:10 AM Re: battery replacement question [Re: kenhdog]  
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I have had good luck with NAPA batteries. I have not had good luck with Walmart batteries or batteries from cheap auto parts stores. I use a NAPA 1000 cranking amp 84 mo battery for starting, and a 24 mo deep cycle for the accessories. I have been getting three seasons out of the deep cycle batteries. The last starting battery lasted 60 months, which is not bad for a boat. I remove the batteries in the winter, and keep them on a battery tender on a work bench, so they are maintained all year. Not as clean as the gel batteries, however in a battery box it does not seem to be a problem.


#493058 - 07/23/10 09:17 AM Re: battery replacement question [Re: CharlesS]  
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I highly recommend the Sears Platinum marine batteries.

I have 5 of them and very very pleased with the quality of the batteries and the warranty is hands down the best in the business !!!

As mentioned before the discharge rate of these batteries is almost zero, no leaks, etc, etc.


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#493069 - 07/23/10 10:24 AM Re: battery replacement question [Re: FormulaFanMN]  
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CharlesS, could be the same basic battery at both places...

"WHAT'S AVAILABLE

Most auto batteries are made by just three manufacturers, Delphi, Exide, and Johnson Controls Industries. Each makes batteries sold under several different brand names. Delphi makes ACDelco and some EverStart (Wal-Mart) models. Exide makes Champion, Exide, Napa, and some EverStart batteries. Johnson Controls makes Diehard (Sears), Duralast (AutoZone), Interstate, Kirkland (Costco), Motorcraft (Ford), and some EverStarts. "

#493073 - 07/23/10 10:51 AM Re: battery replacement question [Re: trooplewis]  
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Add Deka to the list as well.


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#493081 - 07/23/10 11:38 AM Re: battery replacement question [Re: On Holiday]  
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EnerSys makes the Platinum batteries for Sears.


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#493094 - 07/23/10 01:19 PM Re: battery replacement question [Re: FormulaFanMN]  
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That's interesting because Enersys does primarily industrial type battery applications

#493105 - 07/23/10 02:19 PM Re: battery replacement question [Re: trooplewis]  
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Yes, but feel that's why their AGM batteries are superior to others in quality, construction, warranty, etc. You pay more, but to me it's worth it


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#493107 - 07/23/10 02:41 PM Re: battery replacement question [Re: On Holiday]  
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Originally Posted By: On Holiday
Add Deka to the list as well.


Yes, the Deka is on my short list also.

Knew about the few OEMs for batteries. No surprises there:
Johnson Controls
Exide
Enersys
East Penn (Deka, Auto/Marine Duracell?)

I understand Walmart's batteries are now all exclusively Johnson Controls. I also understand that Optima was bought by Johnson Controls.

I've have good luck with Exide flooded cells in my cars, even an exceptional 84 month one, but the Spiral Cell AGM was disappointing. Maybe my expectations were too high.


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#493110 - 07/23/10 02:56 PM Re: battery replacement question [Re: kenhdog]  
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I am wondering if battery technology has changed much in the past 20 years. I have 4 older vehicles in my driveway, an older boat, and have had nothing but good luck (knocking wood) with pretty much every battery I've owned in the past 10 years.

I can't remember last time one failed on me. My kids have left their lights on all night several times, the batteries bounced back and have not caused any issues.

20 years ago didn't seem to do that...

#493119 - 07/23/10 05:15 PM Re: battery replacement question [Re: trooplewis]  
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Just because all batteries are made by a few companies, does not mean that all batteries have the same quality of internal components. Our closest Sears is 89 miles away, so I have not owned a Sears battery for obvious reasons. I have three cars, an SUV, diesel pick-up, two boats, a hydrolic dump trailer, a race car trailer with a built in generator, and a 17KW stationary generator, each one with either one or two batteries. I keep several N-34 sized batteries, to use in the equipement, so that they can be swapped in the event that one fails suddenly.

No NAPA battery has ever failed early enough to require warrenty adjustment. I have gotten good service from Motorcraft batteries. Every Walmart battery has failed early. Every Advance Auto battery has failed, usually at a year old, and the warrenty sucks. That's as far as my knowledge base goes with batteries. Nothing scientific, just usage and observations.


#493124 - 07/23/10 05:50 PM Re: battery replacement question [Re: deepv]  
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Originally Posted By: deepv
18 months, Prorated. But here's the kicker. When I first got mine, I didn't know that the stereo in my boat is always on for the memory. After sitting for six months with no charge, it fried the battery that first year (So I have actually had a problem, but it was self-inflicted and not the fault of the Optima). I took it back to Costco over a year later and they refunded the FULL sales price in CASH, (greenbacks!) no questions asked as I had kept the receipt. I then went and bought a brand new one off the shelf. That is the one that has been installed for over three years now and it looks brand new and takes a full charge every season. It is because of this initial incident that I now disconnect the ground.


And it is still in there. So it is over six years now and still looks brand new.

BTW, in this old post I see some familiar avatars that I don't see around here any more.


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#493170 - 07/24/10 12:12 AM Re: battery replacement question [Re: deepv]  
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I just put Interstates in my boat this season.

The last batteries were made by a little company called "Illinois Battery", installed by the previous owner. Which means they were in the boat for 5 seasons, and probably in storage for a year between the previous owner trading it in and my purchasing it.

Got a lot of mileage out of those batteries.



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#493185 - 07/24/10 02:46 AM Re: battery replacement question [Re: On Holiday]  
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You guys are really no help. I am looking at replacing the batteries with the stereo upgrade. Just don't know what to go with.


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#493188 - 07/24/10 05:31 AM Re: battery replacement question [Re: Silverbullet]  
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Sorry we are not helping.

My father always says that opinions are like butts. Everyone has one and they are all different...

While gel filled batteries are nice for the fact that they are clean, and do not create an environment that contributes to corrosion, gel batteries have had difficulties when discharged, and recharged. Some of the early ones would crack open. For that reason, I have always prefered a wet cell battery for that type of usage, such as a cabin battery or a trolling motor battery. A gel battery will work well for a starting battery as the level of charge is stable.

Other than that, I would stay with a premium battery with a good warrenty, sold a stores that are close to your location, so that you can get service if you need it in the future.

Some warrenties start with the initial purchase, so if you buy the battery in July 2010, and get it replaced in 2011, the warrenty does not start over, it continues on the battery bought in 2010. Other stores refund your purchase price, and resell you a new battery with a new warrenty.


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