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#477635 - 01/14/10 06:19 AM Kalifornia Bonds
WaterMutt Offline
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Registered: 01/14/04
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With California in such a fiscal mess, $20B shortfall last I saw and they stuggled to lower it to that point, who is going to buy thier bonds? Revenues falling, the state gov't not willing to take the actions necessary to curb spending, why would anyone buy thier bonds without a huge return on them? They were just down graded to A-, and I think that is a gift.
And secondly, is this a precursor to other states? My main concern here is the people's republic of taxachusetts. We seem to follow happily behind the big left side state even when it is obvious there are real problems with that game plan. Our taxes have spiked recently, sorry, "fees" have gone up recently, and the organized crime known as state gov't still can't comprehend a balanced check book.
Sorry, guess this has turned more into a rant than a question. I had just read a little on state budgets this morning and wondering how long till thier smoke and mirrors start a fire...
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#477639 - 01/14/10 07:50 AM Re: Kalifornia Bonds [Re: WaterMutt]
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Registered: 11/21/03
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The above post has a 100% WMCorrectness rating!

WM, you asked the question in the first sentence then proceeded to answer it in the next few. I haven't bought any CA bonds for clients in several years.

With WA being a state with no state income tax we can buy munis from any state. I'm not sure how long we'll be a no-tax state. We have a huge budget shortfall and I'm sure a state income tax will be on the legislative table again this year. It comes up every few years and will likely raise its ugly head again.
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#477650 - 01/14/10 10:09 AM Re: Kalifornia Bonds [Re: GoFirstClass]
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Today's News.....

"S & P downgrade California GO's from A to A- on; Pub's from A- to BBB+; and Prop 1A's from A1 to A2"
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#477654 - 01/14/10 12:20 PM Re: Kalifornia Bonds [Re: GoFirstClass]
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Registered: 12/17/02
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Loc: Takilma, Oregon
From "California takes a Hit" Forbes wegsite, 18 hours ago.

Originally Posted By: Forbes
The safety net provided by bond insurance, from the likes of Ambac Financial Group ( ABK - news - people ) and MBIA ( MBI - news - people ), now looks tattered. In 2007, an estimated 60% of newly issued bonds carried insurance. The financial crisis crushed many of the insurers and caused rating agencies to pull their top grades. Last year, a mere 9% were insured, said Ashton Goodfield, head of muni bond trading at DWS.

States and cities issued a near-record $409 billion in bonds last year while tax receipts dropped off a cliff. Some 39 states expect budget shortfalls in 2011, estimated to top $180 billion.
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#480496 - 03/03/10 01:43 PM Re: Kalifornia Bonds [Re: Finger Lakes Boater]
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Darn, I thought is said California Blondes! grin
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