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#466220 - 07/17/09 11:16 PM Whale Wars - Anyone Watch?  
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http://animal.discovery.com/tv/whale-wars/


Does anyone else watch?

I catch a couple episodes last weekend. GREAT show! Watching it now.

And yes folks! It's even boating related.


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#466224 - 07/18/09 01:08 AM Re: Whale Wars - Anyone Watch? [Re: D-Rod]  
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I watched about 10 minutes of one episode, which isn't a fair test. But to me it seemed like a bunch of teenage girl drama on the high seas.




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#466238 - 07/18/09 08:04 AM Re: Whale Wars - Anyone Watch? [Re: 230 Mike]  
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I've watched a few episodes. I kind of cracked up last night when the crew was upset about the whaling boats throwing large steel/brass nuts at them and they said it shows the whalers violent tendencies. LOL, I'd like to see their faces if the whalers launch a harpoon at them:) Now that would be violent... I'd probably do the same thing if a bunch hippies were trying ruin my ability to make a living by throwing a stink concoction on board, and attempting to throw nets into my props.

I wonder where they get their funding. Lots of money needed to run that operation. I'm all for saving the whales but these people are a bit over the top IMO. I don't think they alone will get the Japanese to stop whaling. Most of them probably drive Japanese cars too. LOL.

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#466247 - 07/18/09 09:29 AM Re: Whale Wars - Anyone Watch? [Re: RX 4 Fun]  
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I agree with RX. I watched last season, and these guys are over the top hypocrites. I agree that its not right, but their tactics aren't either. Entertaining though...


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#466249 - 07/18/09 09:50 AM Re: Whale Wars - Anyone Watch? [Re: Bankonit27]  
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I've seen a couple of episodes and it's not for me.

I'm all about peaceful protest but when you are damaging other peoples property (fouling props)to get over your point then I don't have a lot of time for you.


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#466274 - 07/18/09 03:09 PM Re: Whale Wars - Anyone Watch? [Re: That English Guy]  
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Groups have been trying to stop Japanese whaling using the same tactics since the '60's. 40 years later, it seems safe to say that if it is to be stopped it will need to be done at a little higher level.




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#466279 - 07/18/09 03:15 PM Re: Whale Wars - Anyone Watch? [Re: 230 Mike]  
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I would argue their presence is effective for at least two reasons.

1) It distracts the hunters from whale hunting into a defensive or recently, offensive mode. Either way, they're not hunting whale when they're in such mode.
2) It discourages others from attempting to whale hunt knowing full well what they face.

I like the show.


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#466325 - 07/19/09 01:42 AM Re: Whale Wars - Anyone Watch? [Re: D-Rod]  
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I've seen a few episodes and only watch now to see what kind of screw ups they can make. A group of people with no experience being led by an idiot that thinks he is all that putting everyone's life in danger.

At some point, someone is going to get killed. Then what.

If they are going to stop whaling it will have to be at the diplomatic level not by running their boat into another one.


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#466333 - 07/19/09 10:02 AM Re: Whale Wars - Anyone Watch? [Re: Silverbullet]  
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I've seen about 1 1/2 shows. At first I was entertained, then it made me uneasy when it seemed like most aboard didn't have much of a clue. The show I saw they launched the zodiac but headed the wrong way b/c they didn't know how to navigate and use their equipment. One ex-Navy personnel tried to bring some order but was resisted by the classic type who resists change and just cares about ideology not effectiveness. Part of what I saw was one where they got caught in an ice field after a chase. It's hard to tell with these shows what is the real level of danger and conflict b/c of the tremendous power of editing and voiceovers. They of course need conflict, tension and drama to make it a TV show. As someone mentioned above, this cannot be an inexpensive operation even if most are volunteers.

All that said, I don't necessarily disagree with their mission. I support a number of environmental groups including some who push the limits of what my personal beliefs are, or with whom I don't always agree. Why? Just like government, I think there needs to be some checks and balances. There are many instances of industry running rough shod over the environment, our world, taking advantage of money, political power and outdated laws. Sometimes it takes a few nuts on the fringe to grab some attention just to get us somewhere in the middle. Sometimes it gets too extreme both ways, but for instance, I'm glad Lake Michigan, the Chicago River and many other waterways around the country are much cleaner than they were not that long ago. The U.S. has plenty of pollution problems still, but I'll take it over many other industrialized, or newly industrialized areas of the world. I think for every story you hear about a major highway being stopped b/c of a butterfly, there are many real, positive improvements in our environmental quality due to the environmental movement. YMMV.


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#466355 - 07/19/09 08:11 PM Re: Whale Wars - Anyone Watch? [Re: athiker]  
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So, then, it's not about some guy whales whomping the snot out of each other to win the affections of the hot, slutty bad-girl whale?

(back to my Law & Order re-runs...)
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#466366 - 07/19/09 10:33 PM Re: Whale Wars - Anyone Watch? [Re: Frantically Relaxing]  
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Take it or leave it, it's tv.

I had the "pleasure" of working on one of those Extreme Home Makeover deals on ABC.

It isn't about helping people or saving whales. It's hollywood.


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#477300 - 01/06/10 10:22 AM Re: Whale Wars - Anyone Watch? [Re: 2Suns]  
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A little update...not sure if it's the exact same group, but I believe so as the tactics are the same.

Take a look at the hi-tech 78 foot speed boat involved...or what's left of it.

Boat damaged in anti-whaling clash in Antarctica

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#477302 - 01/06/10 10:35 AM Re: Whale Wars - Anyone Watch? [Re: athiker]  
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A better video of speed boat ramming: Video 2 Link

After seeing the photo of the Sam Shepard's group captain...it is the same group.


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#477305 - 01/06/10 12:22 PM Re: Whale Wars - Anyone Watch? [Re: athiker]  
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Let me see if I understand the anti-whaling group's explanation of this "accident"

--they're claiming the several hundred foot long whaling ship actually aimed at their high speed boat and hit it?

Seems there might be two things wrong with that claim. First, the whaling ship is not maneuverable enough to "aim" at the smaller, faster boat. Second, someone should have taught the captain of the smaller craft about the Rule of Tonnage.

Score one for the whalers!!!

Now where is that song "And another one bites the dust"......


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#477311 - 01/06/10 03:01 PM Re: Whale Wars - Anyone Watch? [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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Yep, my personal opinion is that the Japanese Institute of Cetacean Research is a complete sham and crock, but don't run around a ship in a speedboat and try to claim that big ship ran us over. They were chasing that ship, this ship wasn't chasing them. If in the course of chasing and harassing them they got run over, well it's clear its their own fault. Hardly matters what the video shows, if they were close enough that a small course correction takes them out, so be it, they put themselves in harms way.

That being said, the obvious solution is they need a bigger boat. If you are going to attempt to bully and harrass someone to prevent an activity, you either need to bring an obviously bigger and superior weapon (boat) to the fight or be nimble enough to pester the heck out of them without getting hurt. In this case they weren't quite nimble enough. I guess they can't expect to be perfect everytime and avoid a collision.

If this was their first loss, maybe their overall record is pretty good I guess but I'm surprised if it is. Based soley on the one show I saw on TV, it seemed pretty clear to me the only one w/ decent seamanship skills was the captain of the main environmental vessel,the rest of them that took out the smaller faster craft, and no doubt the pilot of this speedboat, were lacking.


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#477314 - 01/06/10 03:47 PM Re: Whale Wars - Anyone Watch? [Re: athiker]  
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Yeah, looked to me like there was wake behind the small boat and it was definitely moving forward. Almost looked like they had stopped, and then moved again.

You can't fix stupid.


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#477315 - 01/06/10 03:57 PM Re: Whale Wars - Anyone Watch? [Re: casualboater]  
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Here is the video from a 3rd party angle...I see them both at fault. The Jap ship does take a hard right then a hard left after the collision.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbuq0YEIPNU

The video doe snot show the chase boat shining laser pointers at the Jap ship and running right in front of it.

I am not in support of whaling...some friends were in college but I preferred gymnasts grin


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#477317 - 01/06/10 07:00 PM Re: Whale Wars - Anyone Watch? [Re: Wet Doggg]  
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Is it just me, or does that look like that around the world on biodiesel boat that I saw a while ago?


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#477318 - 01/06/10 07:13 PM Re: Whale Wars - Anyone Watch? [Re: casualboater]  
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Originally Posted By: casualboater
Is it just me, or does that look like that around the world on biodiesel boat that I saw a while ago?


Same boat. It was either donated to them or it was bought by them to use to chase down the whaling ships.


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#477319 - 01/06/10 07:48 PM Re: Whale Wars - Anyone Watch? [Re: Wet Doggg]  
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If you view the 3:39 video at this linky and go to about 1:28 into it you'll see the small craft pointing a laser sight at the larger ship.

Pause the video at that point and look at what is hanging off the stern of the small boat. To me that looks like a float attached to a heavy line. What you can't see is if there is a similar float attached at the other end of that line. Keep watching the video and you can see more shots of the line in the next scene.

Likely the small craft was attempting (again) to put the line directly under the larger whaling craft in an attempt to (again) foul the props on the larger ship.

At that point given the laser (which can blind people) and what appears to be a line designed to foul the props, I think the whaling ship could make a strong case for being under attack.

If that is the case, it would seem the ramming of the small craft is done in an attempt at self preservation. Sort of like taking an aggressive action against the pirates off the Somali coast.

If ya'll don't want to get rammed, don't put yourself in the position where you could be rammed.


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