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#467339 - 07/30/09 03:50 PM 100 hour service Sea Ray 185 Sport 2005 Do it myself?  
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My 100 hour service on my SeaRay 185 Sport 2005 4.3 Alpha Mercruiser is do. And it's going to cost about $600!

I'm no mechanic by the stretch of anyone's imagination. How much of the service can a mechanically inept guy do at home? Successfully! And is it enough to make a dent in the service cost?

Or should I just suck it up and have them do it and stick to what I do well?

Prior auto experience: changing flats, changing oil/filter, changing light bulbs, changing windshield wipers (even that's becoming a pain in the butt these days). Tools are limited. Knowledge moreso. Experience even moreso.


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#467343 - 07/30/09 06:11 PM Re: 100 hour service Sea Ray 185 Sport 2005 Do it myself? [Re: bryan459]  
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Seems kinda high, what did they quote for that?

The only thing I think is out of the scope of your capacity is the engine alignment. Other than that they usually just squirt some lube on the steering racks and change the oil in the engine and drive.

If they actually lubed and adjusted all the steering and throttle cables etc like they list in the manual then I would say it may be worth it but I have always had my doubts as to whether they actually do this, and I also doubt that it requires most of a days labor for a tech to perform these services.

If they don't do anything but change the fluids then that is one expensive oil change.

The engine alignment should be done either way since it sometimes can be a bit off from the factory.

If it will not void the warranty to not get it done I would just have them do the engine alignment and change the fluids. I am guessing that you will get just as much done and will save some $$$.

So I guess a lot of this answer depends on how honest the dealer/service dept. is. There are some members from your area so you might say who the dealer is and they could tell you what they think of him.

#467344 - 07/30/09 06:11 PM Re: 100 hour service Sea Ray 185 Sport 2005 Do it myself? [Re: bryan459]  
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What service is required and do you have a service manual?


#467353 - 07/30/09 06:28 PM Re: 100 hour service Sea Ray 185 Sport 2005 Do it myself? [Re: SALTY_DAWG]  
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Price maybe high, but it seems that your wrench turning skills are fairly low (sorry). It depends on what is called for the 100 hour service.

Oil/filter
Outdrive oil
Impeller ?
Fuel Filter ?
Spark Arrester (air intake) ?
What else ??

Maybe get a service manual to see if you can do all the things (or not)


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#467355 - 07/30/09 06:45 PM Re: 100 hour service Sea Ray 185 Sport 2005 Do it myself? [Re: bryan459]  
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The "complete annual service" cost for a Merc 496 Bravo Three was $539 when I had it done in April 2008.

The annual service includes:
Engine
1) Run engine and inspect condition of tune
2) Change engine oil and filter, recycle waste
3) Change water/fuel separator, recycle waste
4) Change fuel filter/in-line fuel filter if equipped
5) Clean and service the flame arrestor
6) Add fuel system treatment to tank
7) Inspect and tighten belts/hoses
8) Check all fluid levels
9) Inspect and adjust ignition timing, as required
10) Adjust fuel system (carbureted engines)
11) Inspect battery water and terminals
12) Check engine mount bolts
13) Grease cables as needed

Drive
14) Pull drive
15) Change outdrive lube, recycle waste
16) Inspect and grease U-joints and gimble bearing
17) Tighten gimble houseing (Mercruiser)
18) Remove prop(s) and insepct seal, grease prop shaft(s)
19) Inspect engine alignment and grease coupler
20) Check shift operation and adjust
21) Check power trim operation

Trailer
22) Check trailer lights and brake fluid level
23) Inspect trailer tires condition and adjust inflation pressures
24) Grease bearing buddies if equipped

Since I have an EFI engine, I don't think items 1, 9 and 10 apply. And since I had this done at the beginning of the season rather than the end, item six was a waste of time


In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

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#467357 - 07/30/09 07:01 PM Re: 100 hour service Sea Ray 185 Sport 2005 Do it myself? [Re: Titanium]  
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My idle is off. It's running high as of 2 weeks back. Ican inflate my own trailer tires, check my brake light, and lube my bearing buddies. Just had that done with the new brake drums anyway. Fuel treatment not necessary. Also have efi. Their seems to be a lot of things on that list that are beyond my screwdriver and crescent wrench tool set (ignoring lack of knowledge). I wonder how much warranty I have left. Maybe I should wait until spring for a full season of prime tuning and fresh fluids? The only thing really worrying me is the idle.


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#467359 - 07/30/09 07:14 PM Re: 100 hour service Sea Ray 185 Sport 2005 Do it myself? [Re: Titanium]  
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OK, I gotta break this down...

Originally Posted By: Titanium
The "complete annual service" cost for a Merc 496 Bravo Three was $539 when I had it done in April 2008.

The annual service includes:
Engine
1) Run engine and inspect condition of tune 2 minutes
2) Change engine oil and filter, recycle waste 20 minutes
3) Change water/fuel separator, recycle waste 5 minutes
4) Change fuel filter/in-line fuel filter if equipped 5 minutes
5) Clean and service the flame arrestor 5 minutes
6) Add fuel system treatment to tank 2 minutes?
7) Inspect and tighten belts/hoses 5 minutes
8) Check all fluid levels 2 minutes
9) Inspect and adjust ignition timing, as required Should be part of #1
10) Adjust fuel system (carbureted engines) ?
11) Inspect battery water and terminals 2 minutes
12) Check engine mount bolts 5 minutes
13) Grease cables as needed 5 minutes

Drive
14) Pull drive 20 minutes (10 off, 10 on)
15) Change outdrive lube, recycle waste 10 minutes
16) Inspect and grease U-joints and gimble bearing 10 minutes, and I'm being generous
17) Tighten gimble houseing (Mercruiser) 5 minutes
18) Remove prop(s) and insepct seal, grease prop shaft(s) 5 minutes
19) Inspect engine alignment and grease coupler 5 minutes, 10 if alignment is needed
20) Check shift operation and adjust 5 minutes
21) Check power trim operation 2 minutes

Trailer
22) Check trailer lights and brake fluid level 5 minutes
23) Inspect trailer tires condition and adjust inflation pressures 5 minutes
24) Grease bearing buddies if equipped 2 minutes



I come up with roughly 2-1/2 hours, and mechanics who do this every day can probably beat the times I've listed. Even 3 hours @ $80 per is only $240... Must be some expensive oil & filters they use...

Everyone is telling me I don't charge enough at my work... Maybe not, but personally, I think $540 for 3 hours of labor and $120 ($45 at Napa) worth of parts is a snick high.

Just my opinion...


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#467361 - 07/30/09 07:17 PM Re: 100 hour service Sea Ray 185 Sport 2005 Do it myself? [Re: bryan459]  
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I would get it done at the end of the season rather than letting it sit all winter with old fluids. The acids caused in combustion can pit bearing surfaces and the sludge will settle out of the oil.

At a minimum I would get the fluids changed and the engine alignment checked, coupler greasing is usually part of that anyway. Especially if it has never been changed/checked.

#467364 - 07/30/09 07:47 PM Re: 100 hour service Sea Ray 185 Sport 2005 Do it myself? [Re: prober]  
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i'm not much of a mechanic either, but i'm pretty sure inflating the tires and greasing the bearing buddies won't do a darn thing for your fast idle.


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#467365 - 07/30/09 07:51 PM Re: 100 hour service Sea Ray 185 Sport 2005 Do it myself? [Re: prober]  
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FR, this is California. Labor at the brake shop is $110 per hour; I'm assuming labor at the marine shop is equal or greater. In my experience out here, the shops charge for the hours (minimum) that the book says the job takes. Even if you can do it in half the time, the shop will still charge the full price.

SilverBullet, I'm looking at Marine Unlimited in Santa Rosa for service. Any experience with them?

Prober, thanks for the end of season suggestion.


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#467395 - 07/31/09 07:49 AM Re: 100 hour service Sea Ray 185 Sport 2005 Do it myself? [Re: bryan459]  
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Is any part of your boat still under warranty? If it is and you have a warranty claim, you may have problems down the road (river???) proving the work was done if you do it yourself.

If it's not under warranty, contact the shop to get a list of what services they perform, do them yourself, and have them do any you don't feel comfortable with.


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#467431 - 07/31/09 01:22 PM Re: 100 hour service Sea Ray 185 Sport 2005 Do it myself? [Re: Frantically Relaxing]  
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Originally Posted By: Frantically Relaxing
... $540 for 3 hours of labor and $120 ($45 at Napa) worth of parts is a snick high.


Good guess on the labor/parts breakdown. Labor was $420.89 and parts were $118.11.

$51.40...86617A01...Fuel Filter Cartridge
$7.95.....802876A1...Fuel System Treatment Stabilizer
$9.00.....802885T......Oil Filter
$6.80.....16755Q1......Bravo Installation Kit (Bell Housing Gasket Set)
$21.00...802854A1....Merc Drive Oil
$21.96...883724K01...Merc Synthetic Motor Oil (4 quarts)

I didn't notice before, but the above oil filter is the short GM filter. When I purchased a Merc oil filter a couple of months ago, they sold me the tall GM filter? Either way, I will be buying the Napa Wix filter from now on.


In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

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#467484 - 07/31/09 10:02 PM Re: 100 hour service Sea Ray 185 Sport 2005 Do it myself? [Re: Titanium]  
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GFC, still plenty under warranty, I think. I'll have to get my glasses and do some reading tonight.

The thing most on my mind is why is the idle riding high all of a sudden.


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#467490 - 07/31/09 10:53 PM Re: 100 hour service Sea Ray 185 Sport 2005 Do it myself? [Re: bryan459]  
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The high idle can be caused by any number of things since you have EFI. Let a tech address that problem.

Are you saying that you have used the boat and trailer for four years and you have done no preventative maintenance? If so, it wouldn't hurt to have someone that knows what he is doing to stick his head in the engine compartment and look for any other pending problems as well as give the trailer a once over.


#467491 - 07/31/09 11:22 PM Re: 100 hour service Sea Ray 185 Sport 2005 Do it myself? [Re: SALTY_DAWG]  
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No it's been maintained per schedule, but the SeaRay dealer closed, I had a great relationship with the service dept, and it's time for an expensive service.

The marine shop in the area is busy as hell and expensive as hell (I realise that it's all relative).


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#467496 - 08/01/09 12:28 AM Re: 100 hour service Sea Ray 185 Sport 2005 Do it myself? [Re: bryan459]  
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bryan459,

Have you considered trying San Ramon Boats located in San Ramon?

It may take a little waiting since so many other boat shops have closed and service customers of these closed ships are now using San Ramon Boats, but I've had good luck with them. They have been around under the same ownership for almost 40 years.


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07 SeaDoo Wake 215, 1996 SeaDoo GTX, 05 HD Dyna SuperGlide
#467519 - 08/01/09 12:19 PM Re: 100 hour service Sea Ray 185 Sport 2005 Do it myself? [Re: Titanium]  
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Any authorized Mercruiser service dealer can do the work.

You can go to to this link to find several authorized dealers in your area.

http://direct.where2getit.com/cwc/apps/w2gi.php?&client=mercurymarine&template=search

You might want to contact them by phone to get some idea as to what they would charge for the service and what lead time you could expect.


#467521 - 08/01/09 12:40 PM Re: 100 hour service Sea Ray 185 Sport 2005 Do it myself? [Re: SALTY_DAWG]  
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SALTY DAWG,

That is a great link.

Unfortunately for bryan, this link only brings up Marine Unlimited when doing a 25 mile search radius around Santa Rosa. There is a little more competition than that in our area, so I think the prices are a little lower than the $600 he was quoted. I had 5 choices pop up for me when I did the search for my area.


bryan - I called San Ramon Boat Center. They said the cost for the annual service for your 2005 4.3 Alpha Merc would be $425. I'm pretty sure this is the scope of work I posted earlier, but he specifically mentioned that this would include pulling the drive, aligning the drive, changing the fluids and filters, and the trailer work. I don't know if it worth dragging your boat over to San Ramon for $175 in savings - especially since you would have to make the trip twice. At the least, maybe you could use the information to get a better price at Marine Unlimited?

If you're interested, call Dennis at San Ramon Boat Center at 925-820-2317. I didn't talk directly with Dennis (he left a voicemail for me), so I'm not sure how long of a wait there would be for service. I got the impression that the wait wouldn't be that long?


In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

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05 Dodge Ram 1500 QuadCab 5.7L V8 Hemi
07 SeaDoo Wake 215, 1996 SeaDoo GTX, 05 HD Dyna SuperGlide
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Originally Posted By: Frantically Relaxing

Everyone is telling me I don't charge enough at my work... Maybe not, but personally, I think $540 for 3 hours of labor and $120 ($45 at Napa) worth of parts is a snick high.



Have you thought about doing some of this work for other boaters at the marina where your houseboat is located?


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05 Dodge Ram 1500 QuadCab 5.7L V8 Hemi
07 SeaDoo Wake 215, 1996 SeaDoo GTX, 05 HD Dyna SuperGlide
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Actually, I have thought about it. But there's already a "mobile" boat-fix guy that Mark knows, who has an ad banner out in the parking lot, I don't want to step on any toes. And, I just plain don't have time!

$110 an hour for brake shop labor? Ok I guess. But I'll never pay that much...


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