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#438972 - 10/07/08 04:44 PM Boron Nitride
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Is there a test I can do to positively identify boron nitride, or white graphite? Ideally, this would be a simple test that I could do in my kitchen...

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#438980 - 10/07/08 05:33 PM Re: Boron Nitride [Re: CJS]
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capt. obvious
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What?
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#438981 - 10/07/08 05:35 PM Re: Boron Nitride [Re: bradyf]
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Call up your CSI or FBI amigos!
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#438984 - 10/07/08 06:18 PM Re: Boron Nitride [Re: D-Rod]
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Sorry, guys. I was asked to take a look at a white powdery substance from overseas, and make a recommendation. Under a microscope, it looks like glass marbles, and it's used as a dry lubricant in a printing operation. I think it's boron nitride, but am totally unsure and was looking for some basic chemistry or analytical processes that would prove or disprove my hypothesis....

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#438985 - 10/07/08 06:24 PM Re: Boron Nitride [Re: CJS]
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FYI, wikipedia lists some of its properties: Insoluble in water, and with a melting point of 2700C. I'm no expert, but I think that's about as hot as the sun.... I tried the water solubility experiment, and also to try to dissolve it in a 30% phosphoric acid solution, which should eat just about anything that's reactive with acid. Both yielded zero results.




Edited by CJS (10/07/08 06:25 PM)
Edit Reason: celsius or fahrenheit?

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#438986 - 10/07/08 06:34 PM Re: Boron Nitride [Re: CJS]
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Can you weight it and do volume testing to calculate molecular weight and compare?
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#438988 - 10/07/08 06:39 PM Re: Boron Nitride [Re: D-Rod]
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I could, but I need a basis for comparison, i.e., I have no idea if the bulk density is dependent on atmospheric pressure. It's pretty 'fluffy'.

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#438989 - 10/07/08 06:42 PM Re: Boron Nitride [Re: CJS]
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Work backwards? Can you find a way to get pH and a couple of other variables to get into a probability problem to confirm your hypothesis?
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#438993 - 10/07/08 06:51 PM Re: Boron Nitride [Re: D-Rod]
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D, you've outsmarted me. I'm not sure. It's pretty inert, as-is. Slippery as hell, though.

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#438995 - 10/07/08 06:57 PM Re: Boron Nitride [Re: CJS]
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Tastes like white chocolate, compared to regular graphite which tastes like pencil lead?

Ok, scratch that or someone will think they should actually taste test it.

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#438997 - 10/07/08 07:04 PM Re: Boron Nitride [Re: trooplewis]
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kinda wishin you had bought a mass spectrometer instead of paying the last couple months mortgage right about now?

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#439027 - 10/07/08 10:05 PM Re: Boron Nitride [Re: CJS]
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Originally Posted By: CJS
Sorry, guys. I was asked to take a look at a white powdery substance from overseas, and make a recommendation.


CJS, sorry to hijack the topic but I couldn't resist. The last time I was asked to look at a white powdery substance from overseas I was a cop, we were making a major bust and my recommendations went something like..."You have the right to remain silent....(you know the rest) . laugh laugh laugh

Now back to your regularly scheduled serious topic. Sorry. frown
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#439038 - 10/07/08 11:11 PM Re: Boron Nitride [Re: GoFirstClass]
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Sounds like a 'small' version of that stuff you shake on the shuffleboard table at the watering hole...(which is what, little wax balls?)
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#439041 - 10/07/08 11:28 PM Re: Boron Nitride [Re: Frantically Relaxing]
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Did some searching, cool stuff! The stuff you're talking about is 'hexagonal Boron Nitride', (h-BN) and there's also 'cubic Boron Nitride (C-BN), aka Cubic Zirconia...both seem to be nearly indestructible!

Got an acetylene torch setup? Since hBN melts at 2700°C (one website says 3000°), and an acetylene torch burns at 3200° to 3500°C, you would just barely be able to melt it. I would think that pretty much any other white powder would just vaporize(?)
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#439048 - 10/08/08 04:48 AM Re: Boron Nitride [Re: Frantically Relaxing]
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Yes, I do have a torch. I'll give that a shot, and we'll see what happens.

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