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#438189 - 10/02/08 10:33 PM Re: What is this sensor? [Re: Memory Maker]
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Dumb question here..... not to hijack the thread, but what is a knock sensor?
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#438190 - 10/02/08 10:37 PM Re: What is this sensor? [Re: Nu2BoatN]
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It allows the ECM to advance the timing as far as possible until microscopic pinging start, then it retards it just enough to stay at that critical, most efficient point.
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#438193 - 10/02/08 10:47 PM Re: What is this sensor? [Re: D-Rod]
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Thanks D!
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#438195 - 10/02/08 10:58 PM Re: What is this sensor? [Re: Nu2BoatN]
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Here more info on how the actual sensor works: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezoelectric_sensor
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#438198 - 10/03/08 05:26 AM Re: What is this sensor? [Re: Parrott_head]
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Originally Posted By: Parrott_head
Why would a knock sensor be mounted so low on the block and have a plug in it as if to drain a fluid?


And that fitting makes it a little harder to drain the water from the block, as the wire you poke in there might need to have a curve in order to get the trapped sediment out. Glad I only have one on my Mercruiser.
FC, I worry about that brass plug. Hope it comes out easy, or you are gonna unsrew that whole fitting when you go to drain the block. That is one area where Mercruisers little blue or black plastic wing nuts are very handy to have.
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#438212 - 10/03/08 07:35 AM Re: What is this sensor? [Re: BillyB]
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Knock sensor makes sense. Thanks guys. I'll be spending some time today poking around my engine and figuring it all out, it sure is different than my carbed 4.3 V6 I had on my Sea Ray. And this one really is down in there, talk about a PITA to reach anything!

I miss those little blue plastic wing nuts I had on my Mercruiser. This one will be a PITA for sure. The knock sensor/drain on the starboard side can't be seen. I will have to feel around to find it.
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#438250 - 10/03/08 09:47 AM Re: What is this sensor? [Re: firecadet613]
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Weird place for a knock sensor, but that's what it is! They DO also put a temp sensor in the same place, but it's much different looking. From Marine Parts Plus website, edited for better detail:

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#438261 - 10/03/08 10:21 AM Re: What is this sensor? [Re: Frantically Relaxing]
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Brass plug came right out. Just tried it to be sure. This motor won't be hard to winterize at all. Do I need to coat the brass plug with antiseaze or loctite so it won't stick?
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#438264 - 10/03/08 10:32 AM Re: What is this sensor? [Re: firecadet613]
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I would not recommend any kind of anti-seaze or loctite for a brass fitting or plug.

I always wrap some Teflon tape around the threads of any plug or fitting that threads into the water jacket of the block or manifolds as protection against leaks.



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#438266 - 10/03/08 10:35 AM Re: What is this sensor? [Re: Admin]
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Thanks Admin. I did not think of teflon tape. I should have though, I have a 10 pack in the garage!
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#438317 - 10/03/08 03:39 PM Re: What is this sensor? [Re: firecadet613]
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I'd buy one of those blue Mercruiser plugs!
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#438318 - 10/03/08 03:52 PM Re: What is this sensor? [Re: BillyB]
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The merc plugs are nice until you overtighten them or they stick in there and you break the wingnuts off. Then you have to get in there w/ a screwdriver or something of the sort and hope you can back it back out. But other then that I like them.
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#438324 - 10/03/08 04:42 PM Re: What is this sensor? [Re: FCMarine]
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Part #? I haven't had any issue with them breaking off on my last boat.
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#438325 - 10/03/08 04:44 PM Re: What is this sensor? [Re: firecadet613]
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FC, when they break, they lose all clamping/holding force, so removing them with your finger tip is possible. Ask me how I know! grin But if a screw driver is available, it makes it very very very easy to remove them, when they break.
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#438326 - 10/03/08 04:54 PM Re: What is this sensor? [Re: BillyB]
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I believe it. I take it they should thread right in? Have an idea on cost or a part #?
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