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#438056 - 10/02/08 09:41 AM Interesting, if true...
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While not really "Breaking News" and don't want to instill any bad thoughts in peoples' minds, but I just recieved this email.

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Title: I GOT THIS FROM MY COUSIN WHO IS IN THE MILITARY

A Growing Public Response to the Crisis

The Fed literally creates money out of nothing. Expands or contracts its supply as it wishes - with no government oversight or control. Gold once backed it until Nixon closed the gold window in August 1971. Suspended dollar convertibility into the metal, and ended compliance with the Bretton Woods core provision. The US dollar became fiat currency. Mere paper. Backed by nothing except the faith of the issuing authority.

Given today's crisis, that faith is fast eroding and is to blame for dollar weakness. Mostly because of profligate policies by private bankers running the country's monetary policy for their own gain. The grandest of grand thefts along with today's all-consuming fraud. Backed by the full faith and credit of the government, and up to now at least, with most people none the wiser.


For how long is the question given growing public anger and people expressing it publicly. It has administration officials worried enough to order what Michel Chossudovsky wrote in his September 26 article titled "Pre-election Militarization of the North American Homeland."

He cites an Army Times article saying that the 3rd Infantry's 1st Brigade Combat Team is coming home (in October) from Iraq as (according to the Times) "an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks." Perhaps with a manufactured incident as pretext. To defend the homeland against ourselves. Be deployed against dissent. Erupting public anger. On city streets like in Denver and St. Paul. Displaying civil disobedience. Defiance against fraud, deceit, illegal foreign wars, and nearly eight intolerable years under George Bush and a complicit Congress. Capped by the current financial crisis touching everyone while government rewards crime and hangs its victims out to dry.

The 3rd Infantry's 1st Brigade is for combat. It's not the National Guard or local police. It's trained for war. "Equipped to kill people" with potent weapons, and a last hurrah scheme may be planned to divert public attention from the financial crisis. A "terrorist" attack with "chemical, biological" or other dangerous weapons. A possible pretext for martial law at a time the administration and Congress are vulnerable. When people are angry about Washington protecting the privileged. Partnering with them in crime. Defrauding the public and stifling dissent. Moving one step closer to tyranny and away from silly notions about democracy. Proving crime indeed does pay and awfully well on Wall Street. "It's the economy, stupid." Theirs, not ours.
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#438077 - 10/02/08 11:35 AM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: WaterMutt]
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That's interesting... sounds like another revolution is being thwarted before it begins.

I had an interesting conversation with my brother (who is a Conspiracy Agenda person) and his thoughts are that (not to turn this thread political) if Obama is NOT elected, we can expect civil unrest like this country has never seen. ... in major cities, to rural America where there are large populations of African-Americans, riots will erupt and there will be alot of death and destruction. Perhaps the administration is contemplating the same? I would hope not.
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#438383 - 10/04/08 06:38 AM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: Nu2BoatN]
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Originally Posted By: Nu2BoatN
...if Obama is NOT elected, we can expect civil unrest like this country has never seen. ... in major cities, to rural America where there are large populations of African-Americans, riots will erupt and there will be alot of death and destruction.


I could make some really politically incorrect comments about that theory. But I won't.
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#438398 - 10/04/08 08:47 AM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: Nu2BoatN]
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#438403 - 10/04/08 09:52 AM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: KCook]
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Way to steal Kelly!!!!
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#438409 - 10/04/08 10:37 AM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: BillyB]
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#438622 - 10/06/08 06:59 AM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: KCook]
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Sorry you guys find the post "dumb". But I find it speaks loud and clear. For whatever reason, the gov is worried enough to bring military operatives to home soil. And by the way, this same thing is mentioned in another thread, better go after it too.
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#438634 - 10/06/08 07:47 AM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: WaterMutt]
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I suspect it's the inappropriate political commentary that was being referred to WM. There is still no substantive response to your information on this thread.
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#438642 - 10/06/08 08:30 AM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: Finger Lakes Boater]
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Oh, my apologies. Nothing to see here, move along....
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#438713 - 10/06/08 12:32 PM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: WaterMutt]
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Since you asked ...
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He cites an Army Times article saying that the 3rd Infantry's 1st Brigade Combat Team is coming home (in October) from Iraq as (according to the Times) "an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks." Perhaps with a manufactured incident as pretext. To defend the homeland against ourselves. Be deployed against dissent. Erupting public anger. On city streets like in Denver and St. Paul. Displaying civil disobedience. Defiance against fraud, deceit, illegal foreign wars, and nearly eight intolerable years under George Bush and a complicit Congress. Capped by the current financial crisis touching everyone while government rewards crime and hangs its victims out to dry.

Underline the "perhaps" in "Perhaps with a manufactured incident as pretext." This crap is pure conjecture, cooked up to serve a radical Right Wing agenda. So far as I'm concerned, I wish a lot more of our troops could come home. But no doubt these Right Wing wackjobs would see that as an "invasion" of our Homeland? Sheesh, give me a break!

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#438721 - 10/06/08 01:03 PM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: KCook]
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It's actually possible to talk about this without the politics, Kelly.

The Army Times article IS factual. The 3rd Infantry's 1st Brigade (3,000 to 4,000 troops) HAS been assigned to duty stateside as of October 1st.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

It is reasonable to discuss the potential implications of the move---but let's not make it a left/right bash-fest. Unless they use 'em to close down polling places when we throw the current bunch OUT...

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#438739 - 10/06/08 02:04 PM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: Finger Lakes Boater]
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Interesting that Kelly points out right-wing nut jobs. I like to read a left-wing nut job forum for entertainment (and interesting non-mainstream news) and they have been claiming that informaion is preparation of a right-wing neocon coup after they steal the election. The further you go left or right, you end up meeting each other at nut job junction.


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#438744 - 10/06/08 02:16 PM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: Cycleboater]
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Well said Cycleboater thumb

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#438770 - 10/06/08 05:00 PM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: KCook]
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So if the republicans manage a win, they've 'stolen' it? Rather narrow minded wouldn't you agree?
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#438783 - 10/06/08 06:21 PM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: Nu2BoatN]
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Originally Posted By: Nu2BoatN
So if the republicans manage a win, they've 'stolen' it? Rather narrow minded wouldn't you agree?


I would probably call it something other than narrow minded.
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#438858 - 10/07/08 06:02 AM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: Cycleboater]
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I find it entertaining how both sides begin making excuses for a loss long before the election even occurs. Politics has become too personal.
I'm sorry I even posted the original message, that wasn't at all political in my eyes. Everything has to come down to a McCane/Osama/Tailin/Boughtin arguement. It is really quite sickening.
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#438862 - 10/07/08 06:58 AM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: WaterMutt]
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As long as folks continue to get wrapped up in the contrived us/them constructs, they'll be blind to the theft they've been subject to.

That's the point.
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#438888 - 10/07/08 08:35 AM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: Finger Lakes Boater]
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Originally Posted By: Finger Lakes Boater
As long as folks continue to get wrapped up in the contrived us/them constructs, they'll be blind to the theft they've been subject to.

That's the point.
The piece was a setup. Your "theft" point was the windup for the first 3 paragraphs of the piece. Then the radicalized payload was delivered in the following 2 paragraphs. I have no quarrel at all with the "theft" message, just with the justification for insurrection that followed it.

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#438928 - 10/07/08 01:03 PM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: KCook]
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I don't argue with your characterization of the final two paragraphs. But I find your conclusion that it's a "right wing" screed to be unsupported.

The left AND the right are up to their necks in this entire business and the results that flow from it. Until we put down the partisan lenses, we'll never see through it.
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#438959 - 10/07/08 03:38 PM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: Finger Lakes Boater]
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Fair point. Though it's typically the extreme Right that wants to settle scores with a pseudo-military solution. The extreme Left is too busy looting banks and mailing letter bombs.

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#439053 - 10/08/08 05:56 AM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: KCook]
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While the article leans to an extreme action, i don't see it as a military action to come to solve a problem. I see it more as a military action to defend themselves against J6P. Cause most J6P can also be called J6S (Joe Six Shooter). It is just a sad commentary, if at all true, that the gov knows what it is doing will cause that much upheaval (sp?) in the general population.
If this were not an election year, more emphasis would be placed on what is going on. I tend to think this whole ordeal was a bit orchestrated to maintain at least one other main stream story, the election.
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#439103 - 10/08/08 08:35 AM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: WaterMutt]
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"I see it more as a military action to defend themselves against J6P."

There is our difference. I see it as a phony story planted by extemists, not the military or J6P. The extremists have been churning out these kind of stories ever since the '60s.

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#439110 - 10/08/08 09:01 AM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: KCook]
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I hope you are correct, Mr. Cook.
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#439120 - 10/08/08 09:45 AM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: WaterMutt]
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Luv your "J6P" descriptor. First time I had seen that.

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#439142 - 10/08/08 12:00 PM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: KCook]
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Would that be al qaeda and other extremists?
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#439147 - 10/08/08 12:12 PM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: deepv]
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From that Army Times article posted by FLB:

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But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

“Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the [Defense Department] chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future,” said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. “Now, the plan is to assign a force every year.”


Considering that the populace is getting wrestless, I think that this is not a good sign. Do you think that these guys will follow orders and gun down the populace that might be protesting the pass through of our unborn grand children's earnings to today's crooks on Wall Street?
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#439160 - 10/08/08 12:48 PM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: deepv]
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Not if our super secret UFO force at Area 51 has anything to say about it ...

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#439169 - 10/08/08 02:08 PM Re: Interesting, if true... [Re: KCook]
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