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#437908 - 10/01/08 03:02 PM
Move to get rid of Mark to Market
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Admiral
Registered: 03/17/04
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Here it goes again... Let's get rid of accounting transperancy. To say that the value of these assests is zero because there are no sales is flat out wrong. There are sales going on at the actual market value of these homes right now. They are selling for what a willing buyer will pay a willing seller, not what the 2005 note value is. Yes, given enough time these assests will be worth more than they are now. If the government is going to buy up these mortgages, then they need to be booked at today's market value. If in 10 years they are worth more then great, the taxpayer is off the hook. I mark the value of everything I own at what I think I could sell it for and my balance sheet has taken a hit but I am not going to live in wonderland eating mushrooms when figuring my net worth. Why should the bankers be permitted to do so when pawning it off on our grand kids? The accounting rule you should care about The battle over how banks and Wall Street value their assets is at the center of credit crisis and the debate over the $700 billion bailout plan.
By Chris Isidore, CNNMoney.com senior writer Last Updated: October 1, 2008: 4:29 PM ET.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- It's easy to understand why the proposal to spend $700 billion in taxpayer money to rescue banks would inspire impassioned debate in Washington.
But in a sign of just how complex and controversial the current credit crisis has become, a move to potentially change accounting rules on how banks and Wall Street firms value the securities they own is almost as heated.
Some argue that tight accounting rules are a major reason for the credit crisis in the first place. Others contend that changing the rules will just bury problems lurking beneath the surface and could further shake investor confidence in the already battered financial sector.
Roots of the problem First a bit of background. The one fact everyone agrees on is that the current financial crisis centers on trillions of dollars worth of mortgage loans that were packaged together into financial instruments known as mortgage-backed securities, or MBS. Those securities were purchased by banks and Wall Street firms.
But as home prices started to fall and foreclosures rose, the value of these securities plunged. Today, there is almost no market for the securities.
This is why Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke proposed that the government buy the securities. The hope is that doing so could restart the MBS market at something well above the current fire sale valuations and that the government could hold the securities until the market improves.
Some advocates of the plan argue that taxpayers will be able to eventually make money if the government sells the securities at a higher price down the road. But the more immediate hope is that banks and Wall Street firms, freed from the toxic loans on their balance sheet, will start lending again.
What is fair value? Still, others contend that it was not real financial losses from these securities that led to the credit crunch as much as it was an arcane accounting rule known as "mark-to-market."
Mark-to-market means that companies have to report what the fair value of their investments were if they sold them at the current time.
In recent years, firms were required by the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Federal Accounting Standards Board to use mark-to-market valuations for all the MBS on their books.
As more subprime borrowers started to default on their loans, that quickly eroded the value of many MBS pools. Major banks and financial firms around the globe have taken writedowns topping $500 billion in the last year, as a result.
For this reason, some have argued that fixing the rule would solve the credit crisis.
"The SEC has destroyed about $500 billion of capital by their continued insistence that mortgage-backed securities be valued at market value when there is no market," said William Isaac, a former chairman of the FDIC.
"And because banks essentially lend $10 for every dollar of capital they have, they've essentially destroyed $5 trillion in lending capacity," he added.
Isaac believes that since the overwhelming majority of loans packaged together in even the weakest MBS pools are not in foreclosure, it is proper to value these securities based on the flow of cash from all the loans instead of a non-existent market value.
A change of course Tuesday afternoon, the SEC and FASB seemed to change course on the rule, as they published new guidance to firms. The two organizations said when the market for a security disappears, it is now allowable to arrive at a value using "estimates that incorporate current market participant expectations of future cash flows, and include appropriate risk premiums, is acceptable."
In plain English, banks may not be forced to take huge writedowns on investments that lost all their value. But the guidance is just that: guidance. The SEC and FASB suggested that more concrete rule changes could come later.
While the possible end of mark-to-market might please critics of the rule, it doesn't satisfy everybody.
Some financial experts argue that even though banks and Wall Street firms may be able to make their balance sheets look better if the rule changes, these companies will be less attractive to investors because there isn't as much information about their true financial condition.
"The garbage is on the books and no one wants to admit the original error of purchasing this class of assets," said Barry Ritholtz, CEO of Fusion IQ, a research firm.
Ritholtz said mark-to-market accounting forces banks to honestly disclose what they own and how much those investments are worth. Changing the rule would make it tougher to come up with a bank's real value.
"I would advise our clients and the investing public that owning any financials that failed to disclose their holdings accurately is no longer an investment. It is pure speculation, with more in common to spinning a roulette wheel," he said.
Too little, too late Accounting experts also think that determining the value of pools of loans based on expected payments isn't any easier than figuring out their market value after demand has dried up. Rising default and foreclosure rates makes estimates about future value very suspect.
"People talk about 'hold to maturity', 'economic value.' I'm in the business and I don't know what that means," said David Larsen, managing director at investment advisor Duff & Phelps.
Larsen said that even with the new guidance from the SEC and FASB, it's not clear if accountants and chief financial officers are going to be able to ignore the sharp drop in market value for MBS pools in the current environment.
"To try to put a genie back in the bottle and go backwards from a transparency point of view makes little sense," said Larsen.
Others argue that the potential benefit to banks and Wall Street firms from a rule change is much less than is widely assumed since much of the writedowns have already occurred.
And it's too late to save the large financial institutions that have collapsed because of exposure to soured mortgages.
"I think mark to market is seen as a panacea, but I don't think it's that simple," said Brian Gardner, the Washington analyst for KBW, an investment firm that focuses on the financial services industry. "I don't think it's as big a deal for a lot of the banks."
http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/01/news/economy/mark_to_market/index.htm?postversion=2008100116
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#437922 - 10/01/08 05:28 PM
Re: Move to get rid of Mark to Market
[Re: deepv]
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Vice Admiral
Registered: 08/29/03
Posts: 294
Loc: TN, Boat on Center Hill Lake
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I know this isn't the place for this question, but before I comment on this topic, how the heck do you get an article to appear in a box that you can scroll rather than just pasting it in a long post?
Now, I have two comments about market value. And I will apologize on the front end. Understand that I am an anal accountant. First, to me the key to this so called bailout is at what price the govt will buy the securities from the financial institutions. I have no problem if they pay the current price at which the institution can otherwise sell. This current price is at such a steep discount that it really has little correlation to the potential value of the underlying assets (more on this later) that I believe the govt would actually make money on these securities if held to maturity and it would provide liquidity to the financial institutions. This would not cost the taxpayers anything, yet would provide the needed liquidity to the financial institutions. This is a very good idea. My problem is that it appears, as noted in the above article, that Bernanke wants to create a price that more represents the expected value of the underlying assests. If this is done, then this is truly a bailout, would cost the taxpayers money, and is a bad idea.
As for the accounting rules, the accounting rules have the right goal to adjust to the current value. However, they also generate unintended consequences. I am affiliated with a company whose investments include Collateralized Mortgage Obligations (CMO). These were purchased with the intent to hold until maturity. An analysis of the underlying mortgages has been done for defaults and potential defaults. Sorry to get so detailed but, say the face of these bonds is $1 and they were purchased for 95 cents. Our analysis shows that the present value of the expected cash flows is between 70-80 cents. These bonds are currently selling in the open market for 45 cents. The price is so low because basically there are few buyers with the cash to buy the bonds, and because all CMOs are being lumped together in the minds of investors--these are bad securities. Under the current accounting rules the company is required to write down the bond to reflect the 45 cent price. Therefore, the company has to show a loss on the bond of 50 cents, substantially lower than the expected loss. If the company is right, it will recognize income in the future when the mortgages are collected. The current year income statement and balance sheet is distorted, as well as future financial statements.
The problem for some companies arises because the SEC and accounting literature has basically said that a published market value trumps any other model used to value the assets, under the theory that the "market" provides an independent valuation and MUST be right. However, in situations like ours, we intend to hold the security until maturity and could care less what it is trading for, yet the current rules create distortions in the company's income. I have no problem in adjusting the asset to a "realizable value" if there has been a deterioration, but believe the current interpretation unnecessarily distorts income.
I used the term current in the last paragraph, but Tuesday the SEC issued interpretive guidance and the FASB will probably do so this week as well. The SEC basically backs off their previous position and now says that all factors must be considered, one of which is the intent to hold the security through the "market" low. The large accounting firms and accounting groups are against this, probably because it will make their job more difficult as the calculation will be more subjective and they will have to use judgment in their audits, instead of just getting a market quote. I believe that this is one of those times that while the SEC would now like to see a better reflection of value, the auditing firms will be hesitant to move away for a published market value and this will provide little help.
Sorry for the rant. I need a beer.
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#437942 - 10/01/08 07:54 PM
Re: Move to get rid of Mark to Market
[Re: deepv]
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Admiral
Registered: 08/24/05
Posts: 617
Loc: Charlotte, NC (Lake Norman)
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I put it in a quote. Your settings for how you view this website makes it scroll (I think).
Maybe all these securities should never have been traunched in the first place. It would be much easier to determine their market value if you can actually look at the note, the property to which it is connected and the ability to pay back the mortgage of the person associated with the property. If it is so sliced and diced that nobody can determine its value, why should anybody pay anything for it, including the U.S. taxpayer? The way I understand it, the vast majority of the mortgage backed securities are actually "performing". It was the complex financial trades or "bets" that were made using the mortgage backed securities as collateral that created the mess we are in. Once the housing bubble burst, the value of the securities fell, bets were lost, bets could not be paid back, the securities could not be sold, liquidity dried up, loans could not be made and the whole house of cards fell down. Firms were leveraging every dollar of equity 30 times. Crazy.
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#438041 - 10/02/08 08:12 AM
Re: Move to get rid of Mark to Market
[Re: Cycleboater]
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Vice Admiral
Registered: 08/29/03
Posts: 294
Loc: TN, Boat on Center Hill Lake
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Well I am trying this quote thing out to see if it will work. Below is an article from the Wall Street Journal regarding the mark to market provisions in the bill passed last night. OCTOBER 2, 2008 Momentum Gathers to Ease Mark-to-Market Accounting Rule By ELIZABETH WILLIAMSON and KARA SCANNELL
WASHINGTON -- The banking industry and a band of lawmakers have used the scramble to salvage the financial-markets rescue plan to give new life to an industry push to avoid billions in further write-downs with the stroke of a regulatory pen.
A proposal contained in the revised financial-rescue bill the Senate considered Wednesday reaffirms the Securities and Exchange Commission's existing authority to suspend "mark-to-market" accounting. The language was meant to send a message to the agency to re-evaluate the issue. The practice, adopted in the aftermath of the savings-and-loan collapse in the 1980s, pegs the value of assets to their current market price, rather than the price paid for them. Banks have complained the strict application of mark-to-market rules has forced them to write down billions of dollars worth of mortgage-related securities, intensifying the squeeze in the credit markets.
Critics of the proposed changes to the "mark to market" rules say gains created by easing the rules would be illusory and would delay resolving genuine doubts about the value of mortgage assets that has caused the recent crisis in confidence.
As of Wednesday, the industry appeared to be gaining support for easing the rules, in part because some lawmakers believe it could cut the cost of a potential financial-industry bailout.
Banks and a diverse coalition of lawmakers scored a victory on the issue Tuesday, when the SEC and Financial Accounting Standards Board issued "clarification" to the mark-to-market accounting rules. The clarification allows executives to use their own financial models and judgment if no market exists or if assets are being sold only at fire-sale prices. FASB said it is preparing additional guidance for later this week.
The SEC and FASB stopped short of bowing to pressure for a complete suspension of fair-value accounting. But that pressure could intensify when the rescue bill reaches a House vote. Financial-industry lobbyists' work on the financial-markets bill has given them another opportunity to press their case through allies in Congress, many of whom are big recipients of campaign money from the industry. More than 60 lawmakers -- all but five of whom voted against the bill Monday -- wrote to the SEC Wednesday, urging the regulator to immediately suspend the mark-to-market rule.
The Sept. 30 timing of the SEC ruling is no accident. Bankers were clamoring for the SEC to issue guidance or suspend the rules by the quarter end, when banks would be forced to admit their losses.
Accounting firms and investors groups put up a united front Wednesday in opposition to the changes. "Suspending fair value accounting during these challenging economic times would deprive investors of critical financial information when it is needed most," said the Council of Institutional Investors, Center for Audit Quality and CFA Institute in a joint statement. "It would not help solve our economic difficulties."
Some members of Congress say easing the mark-to-market rules could help taxpayers avoid billions of dollars in potential costs by allowing banks to avoid booking losses on securities that might have value after the credit-market crisis has passed. "Onerous mark-to-market rules for certain financial assets that have no market value have worsened the credit crisis, and changing them has been a priority for House Republicans," House Republican leader Rep. John Boehner said in a statement.
Republican presidential candidate John McCain, in a statement, praised the SEC clarification, saying, "There is serious concern that these accounting rules are worsening the credit crunch, making it difficult for small businesses to stay afloat and squeezing family budgets."
In March -- the month the industry began to lobby for the change -- Sen. McCain called for a meeting of accounting professionals to study whether the accounting method was "magnifying problems in the financial markets."
The Treasury, Federal Reserve Bank, accounting firms and some bankers say that divorcing the value of assets from their true market price can lead to an artificially rosy picture of a company's financial health. Inflated asset prices, they warn, helped to contribute to the S&L collapse in the U.S. -- which inspired the mark-to-market rule -- and a decadelong economic slump in Japan in the 1990s.
"We have all seen what can happen when institutions are allowed to mask huge losses in asset values," PricewaterhouseCoopers LLC Chairman Dennis Nally wrote in a letter to Congress. Suspending the rules, he said, could "plant the seeds for the next crisis."
That hasn't swayed fiscal conservatives in the House, who cite the need to suspend mark-to-market rules in explaining their opposition to the rescue bill.
"One of the best reasons to fire [SEC Chairman] Chris Cox is the refusal to deal with the problem of mark to market," Rep. Darrell Issa (R., Calif.) said on MSNBC this week. "You do that, and you put trillions of dollars back into the lending pool. ... It's a tool that's available [to] the SEC, the Fed, the FDIC and the Treasury secretary, and they're not using it."
There is a continued push to change accounting rules as part of a broader regulatory overhaul after the election. "What it does show is next year as part of the regulatory structural reform ... accounting rules are going to be part of that discussion," said Edward Yingling, president of the ABA.
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