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#433179 - 09/03/08 10:38 PM VP 5.7 Motors - Gi vs. GXi vs. Merc 350 Mag
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Per GM's Vortec Website, GM only makes one 5.7 marine engine.

Merc sells only one 5.7 motor: the 300 HP 350 Mag.

VP, however, sells two 5.7 motors:

  • VP 5.7 Gi - 280 HP
  • VP 5.7 GXi - 320HP


I am assuming the internals of both the VP engines and the Merc 350 Mag are all the same. If so, then what are the differences between the two VP motors? 40HP is quite a spread!

Also, to add more confusion, VP seems to now refer to the 5.7 Gi as the 5.7 Gi-300, and is now rating it at 300 HP. On their Website, VP lists the the 5.7 Gi-300 is listed as 280 HP, with the following footnote:

* Due to changing emissions regulations, this engine will be certified 300 hp in California after January 1, 2008.

Can anyone shed some light on all of this?


Edited by Dock Holiday (09/03/08 11:01 PM)
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#433181 - 09/03/08 10:44 PM Re: VP 5.7 Motors - Gi vs. GXi vs. Merc 350 Mag [Re: Dock Holiday]
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Different programming, different exhaust. The GXi vents a significant amount of exhaust above the water line when under way. It's often said that the GXi has a different cam but I don't believe that's the case.

To further enhance your confusion, also note that industry standard is to allow for +/- 10% on published HP ratings. But that applies to all engines, not just the ones you mentioned.


Edited by 230 Mike (09/03/08 10:48 PM)
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#433190 - 09/04/08 05:27 AM Re: VP 5.7 Motors - Gi vs. GXi vs. Merc 350 Mag [Re: Dock Holiday]
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Just to be a jerk, I'll point out that Mercruiser does sell the 5.7TKS, a carbureted 5.7 rated at 250hp!

I have seen written that the 5.7GXi gets 1.6 to 1 ratio roller rocker arms and that the exhaust manifolds are different. The manifolds I have seen in photos look the same to me, and I've never removed a valve cover to check the rockers. But almost everyone notes that the 5.7GXi's power increase over the 5.7Gi comes at the absolute top of the RPM range.

For years the 5.7Gi has tested more than favorably against the 350MAG MPI. It's been considered a "strong" 280hp. I think VP just finally decided to call it a 300hp cause they could.

All things being equal and based only on the price increases, I would never get the 350MAG MPI or 5.7GXi over the 5.7Gi.
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#433208 - 09/04/08 07:07 AM Re: VP 5.7 Motors - Gi vs. GXi vs. Merc 350 Mag [Re: BillyB]
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#433215 - 09/04/08 07:36 AM Re: VP 5.7 Motors - Gi vs. GXi vs. Merc 350 Mag [Re: Scott L]
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I've heard my 5.7Gi really has 300hp, not the 280 its rated for. It's a strong motor....
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#433244 - 09/04/08 09:29 AM Re: VP 5.7 Motors - Gi vs. GXi vs. Merc 350 Mag [Re: firecadet613]
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#433258 - 09/04/08 10:29 AM Re: VP 5.7 Motors - Gi vs. GXi vs. Merc 350 Mag [Re: PhatboyC]
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Well, after reading approx 2,367 posts in those various links, I think I have it. The GXi has the same internals, but different intake and exhuast, which help upper RPM breathing. The GXi also has a slightly higher redline (5,200 vs. 5,000). Also, there may be a difference in the ECM programming, and there may also be a difference in the valve train (roller rockers) - not sure that everyone was in agreemen there.

Bottom Line: The 5.7 Gi is the better choice for most recreational boats. However, those folks looking for max WOT performance might opt for the GXi. Scott L put it best by stating that the $ difference between the Gi and GXi would be better spent on a DP drive.

Thanks!


Edited by Dock Holiday (09/04/08 10:40 AM)
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#433264 - 09/04/08 10:37 AM Re: VP 5.7 Motors - Gi vs. GXi vs. Merc 350 Mag [Re: Dock Holiday]
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I left out the rollers on the GXi - it does have them.
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#433281 - 09/04/08 11:05 AM Re: VP 5.7 Motors - Gi vs. GXi vs. Merc 350 Mag [Re: Dock Holiday]
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Originally Posted By: Dock Holiday
Bottom Line: The 5.7 Gi is the better choice for most recreational boats. However, those folks looking for max WOT performance might opt for the GXi. Scott L put it best by stating that the $ difference between the Gi and GXi would be better spent on a DP drive.


You got it, the 5.7Gi & DP is the smart choice. I don't beleive you're talking about a big gain in WOT numbers to go GXi.
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#433283 - 09/04/08 11:09 AM Re: VP 5.7 Motors - Gi vs. GXi vs. Merc 350 Mag [Re: Scott L]
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Originally Posted By: Scott L
I'm going to order one of these covers for my 5.7 Gi and get an instant extra 20 HP smile


Heck, just order a few stickers and you got it. The cover is identical to the older 5.7 Gi.
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#433290 - 09/04/08 11:42 AM Re: VP 5.7 Motors - Gi vs. GXi vs. Merc 350 Mag [Re: Cobalt24sx]
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Did anyone mention ported and polished heads and manifolds for better air flow? You could do that yourself to your existing machine and get a 30 to 50 HP increase out of it? Any engine is just a big air pump and the more efficiently it pumps air the better for you! That's what they did at the factory in addition to the programming modifications that you can probably get from somewhere by looking for them.

I did that to my built 327 4 bolt main that I put into a 1977 Chevy Monza with the stock Saginaw 4 speed and tall gears for the stock Vega 4-banger that it came with. That thing flew right up to about 60mph and then it screamed at some 5,000+ RPM. Of course it was carburated with a finely tuned Rochester Q-Jet as there wasn't any computer controlled injection back then. When those secondaries opened up, you could here it suck gas out of the tank!
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#433307 - 09/04/08 01:09 PM Re: VP 5.7 Motors - Gi vs. GXi vs. Merc 350 Mag [Re: deepv]
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Given the plus/minus 10% on the ratings, a "300" horse motor can safely be labeled anything from a 270 to a 330 horse engine. Considering the differences between gasoline from one day to the next, air temps, humidity, etc, engine ratings are just a 'best guess' anyway.

Those roller rockers are the sole reason for the higher redline (they lessen the likelihood of valve float).
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#433308 - 09/04/08 01:12 PM Re: VP 5.7 Motors - Gi vs. GXi vs. Merc 350 Mag [Re: Frantically Relaxing]
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Check the rocker arm ratio, too.

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#433388 - 09/04/08 08:12 PM Re: VP 5.7 Motors - Gi vs. GXi vs. Merc 350 Mag [Re: deepv]
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Originally Posted By: deepv
Did anyone mention ported and polished heads and manifolds for better air flow? You could do that yourself to your existing machine and get a 30 to 50 HP increase out of it?


Unfortunately deep, the water cooled exhaust manifolds of a marine engine don't allow for the full gains of porting heads. And as you realize, that type of work usually raises the engine's upper rpm power and potential. Well, for whatever reason, Mercruiser and VP would rather keep their engines right around 5000rpm max. I guess since, in theory, you might run your boat there for several minutes. Whereas in your Monza, how long was it actually turning 5000+ rpms? 15, 20 seconds, if that?

Yep, the GXi isn't worth the price increase over the Gi, in my very humble opinion.
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#433403 - 09/04/08 08:20 PM Re: VP 5.7 Motors - Gi vs. GXi vs. Merc 350 Mag [Re: BillyB]
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