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#433069 - 09/03/08 04:38 PM Google Chrome
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Anyone tried the browser yet?

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#433112 - 09/03/08 06:14 PM Re: Google Chrome [Re: Capn Morgan]
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Not as yet, but am planning on giving it a look.

Related side note: Just started giving IE 8 Beta a go today on a box at work. Not enough usage for a review yet.
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#433114 - 09/03/08 06:21 PM Re: Google Chrome [Re: Admin]
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Installing [chrome] right now...

as an FYI FireFox 3 is faster than previous versions--it's been out for a couple months already.
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#433117 - 09/03/08 06:30 PM Re: Google Chrome [Re: brentb]
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Originally Posted By: brentb

as an FYI FireFox 3 is faster than previous versions--it's been out for a couple months already.


Some may not agree....
http://www.boatingabc.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/415919/FireFox_3_0.html#Post415919

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#433129 - 09/03/08 06:55 PM Re: Google Chrome [Re: Capn Morgan]
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I'm using it right now and like it. I'm not a power user, I just do basic things with browsers. I do have multiple computers however and having a universal bookmark file is a bonus. I can't believe it doesn't look like I can used Google Bookmarks bar on their own browser! I have to use iGoogle as my homepage and have the Google Bookmarks window there like I did when using Safari.

The other issue I'm having is I can't get sound! YouTube videos, etc...no sound. A search reveals a few others with the problem but hard to find any real solution info so far. I believe, if Google is to be believed about accidentally releasing that introduction comic, Google rushed the release a bit so I expect a steady stream of upgrades.

A few other comments can be found here .

BTW, I see the Chrome spell checker works while typing here, but don't see how to correct the word. Its underlined in red but a right click, etc doesn't bring up a corrected version.

Overall I really like the interface, speed and the features released so far .
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#433132 - 09/03/08 07:03 PM Re: Google Chrome [Re: athiker]
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Well, for my laptop the sound works fine using Chrome. I did have to just download and install the latest Adobe Flash; I'll have to check that with my desktops. I can see the videos though on the desktops, just not hear them. I can see and hear fine using IE.
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#433183 - 09/03/08 10:55 PM Re: Google Chrome [Re: athiker]
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The builtin security sounded good to me. But when I tried to download it, no download. Their download webpage checks your Win version and blocks the download if it's not compatible. My box is on Win2000. So I will have to cobble up a direct internet connect for my Vista laptop just to perform the download. Someday.

Have I mentioned yet that I hate progress?
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#433188 - 09/04/08 04:44 AM Re: Google Chrome [Re: KCook]
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Anyone here actually ever read EULAs (End User License Agreement)?

http://www.google.com/chrome/eula.html

Makes for some interesting reading.

Google says they are going to change it, but as of yesterday it was still reading like this...

Quote:

...give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and nonexclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services.


Say what? ouch

No thanks!

OK. The above quote was from Section 11. It now reads...

Quote:

11. Content license from you

11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services.


Why golly! Thanks ever so much. I sure am glad that I am not giving away all rights to my intellectual property just because I might have viewed it in Google's Browser.

What a relief.


Edited by Admin (09/04/08 04:56 AM)
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#433210 - 09/04/08 07:11 AM Re: Google Chrome [Re: Admin]
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I just downloaded it and so far so good. It certainly has speeded up my page loading.

It's gonna take a bit of getting used to though as I need to find some of the stuff I've lost.
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#433338 - 09/04/08 04:34 PM Re: Google Chrome [Re: Admin]
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Originally Posted By: Admin
Anyone here actually ever read EULAs (End User License Agreement)?

.......

Why golly! Thanks ever so much. I sure am glad that I am not giving away all rights to my intellectual property just because I might have viewed it in Google's Browser.

What a relief.

i hope that was humor on their end,
i didn't read that when i downloaded Chrome yesterday, but there were a couple other flip, humorous things on their writeup,
you know those wild and crazy nurds ! d

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#433498 - 09/05/08 08:31 AM Re: Google Chrome [Re: FatDog]
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Just an update. I ended up uninstalling and then reinstalling Chrome in an attempt to fix the no sound issue. This worked. However, the uninstall is evidently NOT a full uninstall as Chrome magically had the bookmarks I had placed on the bookmark bar when using the previous install. It also magically had my homepage set to iGoogle which is not the default homepage but where I had set my homepage previously.
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#434171 - 09/08/08 09:59 PM Re: Google Chrome [Re: FatDog]
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Just downloaded it and it seems fast! My Komodo firewall is going crazy with requests from Chrome. It wants to read my keyboard directly, search memory and all that.
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#434194 - 09/09/08 04:48 AM Re: Google Chrome [Re: Parrott_head]
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BINGO!!

You sure you want to let Google do that?


Info any user of Chrome should be interested in.

Quote:
Provided that users leave Chrome's auto-suggest feature on and have Google as their default search provider, Google will have access to any keystrokes that are typed into the browser's Omnibox, even before a user hits enter.


I've yet to bother checking out Chrome first hand, but will do so some day soon. It dropped way down on the priority list after reading the above.

When I do, it will be with the auto-suggest feature turned OFF. wink
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#435383 - 09/14/08 05:34 PM Re: Google Chrome [Re: Admin]
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I've uninstalled it based on what you wrote above.
After the uninstall it fired up my IE and Google had some questions for me. I told them why and all that.

I also told them of a friend who loves having his keystrokes monitored and gave them Admin's IP.

I am pure evil...
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#435512 - 09/15/08 11:59 AM Re: Google Chrome [Re: Parrott_head]
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I think the Google Search site itself has a query suggestion/ auto fill feature.

When I type something in, it suggests as a pulldown variances on the search of what it thinks I am looking/seaching for...

Seems like the same thing to me...(autofill)

It is also something that can be disabled in preferences.
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#435514 - 09/15/08 12:19 PM Re: Google Chrome [Re: kenhdog]
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Yes. These features can be turned off. In Chrome, you can select the Incognito mode and your browsing is completely anonymous as far as the browser is concerned and no information about searches or web sites visited is logged.

Another thing to consider is that if you have a Google account for anything and have logged into that account, unless you explicitly log out, you are always logged in and anything you search for using Google is logged.

This logging of your activities can have some benefit to you, not to mention to Google and those it sells this highly valuable marketing information to. wink

Each person can decide for themselves how comfortable they feel about it.
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#435518 - 09/15/08 12:48 PM Re: Google Chrome [Re: Admin]
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So .... does anybody remember portals?

I retrieved this morsel from the ooze because it sounds like Google really wants Chrome to provide your portal? In that context at least a lot of logging, etc, would make some sense.

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#436758 - 09/24/08 02:25 PM Re: Google Chrome [Re: KCook]
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#436836 - 09/25/08 12:53 AM Re: Google Chrome [Re: jjct1]
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Wow, the posts attached were all over the map.

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#436845 - 09/25/08 05:37 AM Re: Google Chrome [Re: KCook]
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Yes Kelly, I remember Portals. They were all the rage for a while. wink Oracle dove into the Portal thing in a big way, then screwed their user base by not including reverse compatibility from 8 to 9i.

More about Chrome.

An interesting revelation has emerged about the inner workings of Chrome and there is reason to believe that parts of it were developed by reverse engineering Windows. As it happens, reverse engineering of any part of Windows is expressly prohibited by the EULA.

It is unlikely MS will take any action on this as there are potential issues MS would rather not delve into.

Chrome is open source. This means that anyone can obtain and view the source code of the application before being compiled.

Naturally, many developers outside Google have been poring over the code to see what makes it tick.

It is common practice for developers to leave comments in the code that explain what is going on. Such comments are preceded with special characters that tell the compiler to ignore what follows and skip on to the next line of code.

The part of Chrome that may be a result of reverse engineering has to do with Chrome’s ability to perform what is called Data Execution Prevention (DEP). This is a security measure that prevents malicious individuals from using an exploit known as a buffer overflow. I’ll not go into the details of what that is or how it is used to do nasty things. Suffice it to say that DEP is a good thing and it is great that Chrome supports it.

Implementing DEP is not exactly straightforward and to get it working in all cases is something that is only supported starting with Windows Vista SP1 and Server 2008. It is also thought to be implemented in XP SP3.

This implementation is as yet "undocumented", meaning that anyone outside MS will have a tough time getting it working as they are not really sure how to code things to make uses of the feature. The observant reader will now rag on MS for not releasing documentation to that API call and you will get little argument from me. wink

So this is why Google likely reversed engineered Windows. They wanted to provide this added security and were unwilling to wait for the mighty MS to get around to releasing the much valued information.

So here are the comments that seem to point to the reverse engineering.

Code:
// Try documented ways first.
// Only available on Vista SP1 and Windows 2008.


There are some lines of code, and then we find.

Code:
// Go in darker areas.
// Only available on Windows XP SP2 and Windows Server 2003 SP1.
// http://www.uninformed.org/?v=2&a=4



But here is the real kicker.

Code:
// Completely undocumented from Microsoft. You can find this information by
// disassembling Vista's SP1 kernel32.dll with your favorite disassembler.


If you’d like to read all the nitty gritty, you can see for yourself from the one attributed with first discovering this and pointing it out to the world.

Another major difference of Chrome from other Browsers such as Firefox, IE7, Opera and Safari has to do with "processes". The old Browsers do everything via a single process. This one process displays the User Interface, parses the HTML and renders it within a Window or Tab. It also runs any plug-ins you have installed. This is true for all the Tabs you may be using. It is all done via a single process.

If any one thing crashes, it brings down the Browser. So if one web site has goofed up code and it locks things up, POOF!, your Browser is now crashed and you loose anything you might have been doing in the other tabs.

Chrome launches separate process for each Tab. So if one site goofs up, it will only kill that one Tab.

MS has been moving toward this with IE7 and completes the transition with IE8.

I am only skimming the surface of all this.

The point I guess is that Chrome and IE8 are major departures from the way standard Web Browsers have worked in the past and offer a much higher degree of stability and security. They leave all others in the dust in this regard and it will be interesting to see when Firefox catches up.
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#436886 - 09/25/08 09:08 AM Re: Google Chrome [Re: Admin]
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I usually split my browsing between IE and FoxFire. Many times I've had multiple FF windows running, one crashes, they all disappear. Which matches your session description. Still not sure whether this is best or worst.

Now it sounds like all that logging done by Chrome is only to support the auto-complete feature? That we know of? Err, I really don't need auto-complete that bad.

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#436909 - 09/25/08 10:44 AM Re: Google Chrome [Re: Admin]
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Thanks for the updates, reading with interest. Its nice to be able to read about issues in plain English but w/ the tech issues still tackled.

I've been using Chrome quite a bit. I guess I'm taking the speed trade for the privacy/tracking issue. IE just got too slow for me and crashes too frequent, I've never gotten the font display issues w/ Firefox completely resolved though they did get workable and while I kind of liked Safari, I like Chrome better.

I have occasional issues w/ certain commerce sites, though that is hit or miss. I also can't log in to one of my financial institution websites that opens a new window for you to enter ID and password. I don't like that when I click on a photo I don't have "properties" as a choice. I still don't like that the spell-checker just underlines a misspelled word, but a right click doesn't give you the correct spelling! This seems to vary too from site to site.

I found a widget that you drag to the Chrome bookmark toolbar so that you can quickly add sites to your Google-Bookmarks so that issue has been resolved. I also have a separate toolbar bookmark to Google Bookmarks. I've come to really like doing my searches directly in the url address bar which felt odd at first. I also like that when I restarted my computer after THREE brief power outages yesterday (I only have my "work" computer on a battery backup) I was able to successfully "recover" all the tabs I had open on Chrome when the power went out...impressive.

I still must use IE on one of my work computers b/c Office Outlook Web Access requires it. That computer is used for specific tasks and not general browsing so that is not really an issue.

iGoogle (love the multiple subject tabs) has replaced my longtime MSN homepage, Gmail replaced Hotmail a while back, so I've pretty much completely switched from one behemoth to another for better or worse. If something better comes along, I'll switch again! BTW, I've also mostly switched to OpenOffice from MS Office for the basic spreadsheets I use. I bought a computer that didn't have MS Office and was working away from home, so made the switch and just haven't needed to switch back. The column # limit was a minor PIA in on spreadsheet though (I read col #s will be expanded w/ the next release) I've played around a little w/ Google Docs but not sold yet.

I don't remember if I read it here or elsewhere, but I guess Google was/is a big financial backer of Firefox. I read they pledged continued support, at least for the next few years.



Originally Posted By: Admin
Oracle dove into the Portal thing in a big way, then screwed their user base by not including reverse compatibility from 8 to 9i.

BTW, as I was reading this thread CNBC says Oracle is now getting into the computer hardware biz.
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#437186 - 09/27/08 12:01 AM Re: Google Chrome [Re: athiker]
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"...Google will have access to keystrokes"...

Gee, if one were to believe in conspiracy theories, one might think homeland insecurity successfully planted a few moles in the house of Google...

...for our own good, of course.
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