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#431595 - 08/25/08 04:48 PM Re: Looking for suggestions on Cruiser/size criteria [Re: Capn Morgan]
etyppo Offline
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I looked into those boats a few months ago, and I think they made both a wide beam and a 8'6" version of the 270 in the late 90s. The narrow beam version had a slightly different name like 270SE or something and didn't have a dedicated table area in the cabin like the wide beam version.

If I were buying a cruiser in that size, it would be high on my list. The ones I've seen don't have a sink/cabinet up top so there is lots of cockpit space for a cruiser. It is longer than 28' with the swim platform though. My slip neighbor has one and it uses just about all of his 30' slip.
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#431615 - 08/25/08 06:18 PM Re: Looking for suggestions on Cruiser/size criteria [Re: etyppo]
hobbs Offline
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Here are some comments I saved when I was looking for my first cruiser. I believe these are Al's words. Very good read IMO.

"I don't like to comment on brands, that is to say if one brand is good or bad. When I do comment on a brand, its usually to point out an example, like brand XYZ has this feature I like or dislike.

In that realm of thought, I would like to offer things you should look for in a cruiser regardless of what brand it is.

A cruiser is expensive, very complicated, and has more systems than a typical bowrider or cuddy. For this reason, the features and design characteristics may become more important than the boat brand.

For instance, in a cruiser;

1. Does it have one or two batteries?
2. If multiple batteries, can they be charged by the engine simultaneously?
3. Does the boat have a head or porti-pottie?
4. Is the size of the holding tank adequate?
5. Is the size of the freshwater tank adequate?
6. Is the head/shower compartment leak proof?
7. Does the foredeck contain any trip hazards, and is it prone to slipping (i.e. is it rounded rather than flat)? Remember, the admiral might be up there each time you dock.
8. Does the windshield have a walkthrough to the foredeck?
9. Is there adequate steps to the foredeck from the cockpit?
10. Does the camper canvas go the full length, or is it truncated at the stern?
11. Are there ventilation screens in the camper canvas.
12. Is there adequate ventilation in the cabin?
13. In the head?
15. Is there a rear berth?
14. Is the rear berth adequate for adults, or kids only?
16. Does the rear berth have adequate ventilation?
17. Is there an adequate anchor locker, easily accessable?
18. Is there adequate storage room?
19. If your kid drops grape juice out of the refridgerator, can you pull up the carpet from the cabin floor?
20. Are maintenance items, such as freshwater pump and filter, shower sump, AC pump and filter, and other items easy to reach?
21. Are the portholes/windows in the cabin prone to leak?
22. Does the boat have trim tabs (which I believe are essential for a cruiser)?
23. Does the boat have the performance you are looking for?
24. Is the gas tank large enough?
25. Are deck fittings such as holding tank pumpout, and fresh water inlet easy to get to, and more importantly, to identify?
26. Is there a refrigerator?
27. If so, does it work on both AC and DC?
28. Is the cabin interior easy to keep clean?
29. Does the boat have an extended swim platform (highly desireable on any large boat with a camper canvas that stays on a long time)?
30. Is the camper canvas easy to put up and take down?
31. Is there shorepower (incredibily, this is/was an option on some cruisers)?
32. Are the sleeping quarters comfortable?
33. Does the front berth convert into a bed or dinette easily.
34. Does the head use freshwater or seawater for flushing?
35. Are the bilge pump(s) directly wired to the battery (via a circuit breaker or fuse), so they cannot accidently be turned off?
36. Are their CO detectors in the sleeping area(s)?
37. Does the boat have a hot-water heater that can be heated by the engine as well as shorepower?
38. If the boat has underwater thru-hulls, are the easily accessable, so they can be turned on and off?
39. And most importantly, is there adequate room on the transom for a properly sized boat name?
40. Do you really need to tow your boat?
41. Have you considered the total cost of ownership?
42. If 26ft or larger, it the boat NMMA "Yacht Certified"?
43. Does the boat have an automatic fire suppression system and vapor detectors?
44. Does the boat have a electric/alcohol stove or just an electric stove?


Some of these characteristics may not be important to you, but if you rank them accordingly to your needs, then it is going to be easier to select the right boat.

If you are contemplating used, cruiser models change occasionally - so depending on the year, the boat may or may not be attractive to you.

And for the record, my cruiser does not meet all of the characteristics above, but the ones it did not were not as important to me; which basically, is why the boat was a good match, and we purchased it."

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#431616 - 08/25/08 06:21 PM Re: Looking for suggestions on Cruiser/size criteria [Re: etyppo]
Al Offline
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Wow, I barely remember posting that.

There are plenty of brand choices in the price range and length you are looking at, so take your time in your research.

As you may have figured out, boat manufacturers change their models quite a bit. The SeaRay 270 is one example, as the beam is different depending on the model year. Another good example of this is the Four Winns late '90s Vista 278 as compared to the late 2000's 278.

While not absolute, the general rule - at least as it seems to me - is that older boats had a bit more room than the more sleek modern looking boats. But this can vary from model year to model year for even the same brand as described above.

One of the things I would do is to go ont YachtWorld or other like brokerage site, dial in 27ft or 28ft, then look at all of the boats you have to choose from.
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#431619 - 08/25/08 06:52 PM Re: Looking for suggestions on Cruiser/size criteria [Re: Al]
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Great thread guys. Thanks for all the useful tips.

And welcome back, Glenn! smile
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#431658 - 08/25/08 09:48 PM Re: Looking for suggestions on Cruiser/size criteria [Re: Capn Morgan]
firecadet613 Offline
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Hey Glenn we'll have to hook up sometime on Monroe. Where are these DNR slips at? If we could slip the boat for that price we'd definatly do it...we try to get down to Monroe every weekend. Take a good look at the Four Winns Vistas, I was at Brownie's in Shelbyville last week and they had an '08 248 they were offering for 68k, but I'm sure they would come down a lot. Also just saw an '08 258 on eBay for 62k with a trailer.
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#431670 - 08/25/08 11:13 PM Re: Looking for suggestions on Cruiser/size criter [Re: hobbs]
Chicago4Winns Offline
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Registered: 07/14/05
Posts: 1040
Loc: Chicago, Illinois
Originally Posted By: hobbs
Here are some comments I saved when I was looking for my first cruiser. I believe these are Al's words. Very good read IMO.

"I don't like to comment on brands, that is to say if one brand is good or bad. When I do comment on a brand, its usually to point out an example, like brand XYZ has this feature I like or dislike.

In that realm of thought, I would like to offer things you should look for in a cruiser regardless of what brand it is.

A cruiser is expensive, very complicated, and has more systems than a typical bowrider or cuddy. For this reason, the features and design characteristics may become more important than the boat brand.

For instance, in a cruiser;

1. Does it have one or two batteries?
2. If multiple batteries, can they be charged by the engine simultaneously?
3. Does the boat have a head or porti-pottie?
4. Is the size of the holding tank adequate?
5. Is the size of the freshwater tank adequate?
6. Is the head/shower compartment leak proof?
7. Does the foredeck contain any trip hazards, and is it prone to slipping (i.e. is it rounded rather than flat)? Remember, the admiral might be up there each time you dock.
8. Does the windshield have a walkthrough to the foredeck?
9. Is there adequate steps to the foredeck from the cockpit?
10. Does the camper canvas go the full length, or is it truncated at the stern?
11. Are there ventilation screens in the camper canvas.
12. Is there adequate ventilation in the cabin?
13. In the head?
15. Is there a rear berth?
14. Is the rear berth adequate for adults, or kids only?
16. Does the rear berth have adequate ventilation?
17. Is there an adequate anchor locker, easily accessable?
18. Is there adequate storage room?
19. If your kid drops grape juice out of the refridgerator, can you pull up the carpet from the cabin floor?
20. Are maintenance items, such as freshwater pump and filter, shower sump, AC pump and filter, and other items easy to reach?
21. Are the portholes/windows in the cabin prone to leak?
22. Does the boat have trim tabs (which I believe are essential for a cruiser)?
23. Does the boat have the performance you are looking for?
24. Is the gas tank large enough?
25. Are deck fittings such as holding tank pumpout, and fresh water inlet easy to get to, and more importantly, to identify?
26. Is there a refrigerator?
27. If so, does it work on both AC and DC?
28. Is the cabin interior easy to keep clean?
29. Does the boat have an extended swim platform (highly desireable on any large boat with a camper canvas that stays on a long time)?
30. Is the camper canvas easy to put up and take down?
31. Is there shorepower (incredibily, this is/was an option on some cruisers)?
32. Are the sleeping quarters comfortable?
33. Does the front berth convert into a bed or dinette easily.
34. Does the head use freshwater or seawater for flushing?
35. Are the bilge pump(s) directly wired to the battery (via a circuit breaker or fuse), so they cannot accidently be turned off?
36. Are their CO detectors in the sleeping area(s)?
37. Does the boat have a hot-water heater that can be heated by the engine as well as shorepower?
38. If the boat has underwater thru-hulls, are the easily accessable, so they can be turned on and off?
39. And most importantly, is there adequate room on the transom for a properly sized boat name?
40. Do you really need to tow your boat?
41. Have you considered the total cost of ownership?
42. If 26ft or larger, it the boat NMMA "Yacht Certified"?
43. Does the boat have an automatic fire suppression system and vapor detectors?
44. Does the boat have a electric/alcohol stove or just an electric stove?


Some of these characteristics may not be important to you, but if you rank them accordingly to your needs, then it is going to be easier to select the right boat.

If you are contemplating used, cruiser models change occasionally - so depending on the year, the boat may or may not be attractive to you.

And for the record, my cruiser does not meet all of the characteristics above, but the ones it did not were not as important to me; which basically, is why the boat was a good match, and we purchased it."


Great post hobbs and Al. If I saw this list before I got my Crownline and I wouldn't have bought it. I know personally I wouldn't want a cruiser without available shore power. I would seriously consider if the cost savings are worth it to stay in your DNR slip.
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#431714 - 08/26/08 07:53 AM Re: Looking for suggestions on Cruiser/size criter [Re: Chicago4Winns]
seabuddy Offline
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Registered: 12/15/02
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You rezlly need to decide if you want to run A/C all night or not.

Get a boat with a CAT genset if you do. Its almost a must have.

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#431719 - 08/26/08 08:01 AM Re: Looking for suggestions on Cruiser/size criter [Re: seabuddy]
GoFirstClass Offline
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Registered: 11/21/03
Posts: 7759
Loc: Kennewick, WA
SB, who uses a CAT genset in that size boat? All I've see are the Kohler, Westerbeke, etc.

Glenn, the comments about wanting a slip with shore power should not be taken lightly. If you have a cruiser, IMHO shore power is an absolute must have item. Otherwise you're emptying the fridge after every trip, and your batteries will be more of a problem because you can't keep them on an automatic charger when you're away from the boat.
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#431721 - 08/26/08 08:04 AM Re: Looking for suggestions on Cruiser/size criter [Re: seabuddy]
Philr Offline
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Registered: 03/20/03
Posts: 1438
Loc: Rock Island, IL
I get Lakeland Boating magazine. It is loaded with Yachts/Cruisers/etc for sale in the Great Lakes area.

I haven't checked, but I think there's on-line classifieds too.

http://www.lakelandboating.com/
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#431722 - 08/26/08 08:06 AM Re: Looking for suggestions on Cruiser/size criter [Re: seabuddy]
Rocnat4 Offline
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Posts: 1651
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Twin screws in a 26 with a 8' 6" beam? Good luck getting at either of those if you need to.
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#431726 - 08/26/08 08:13 AM Re: Looking for suggestions on Cruiser/size criter [Re: Philr]
seabuddy Offline
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Registered: 12/15/02
Posts: 28862
You need a 2665 Regal cruiser if you need spacious beds for 4 or more in bed lenght and width. Try out this boat with the family laying in their bed area. Simple test.... just compare any other boat's bed space for your family to the Regal each time you look then at another boat. They will not let you consider anything else once they try out the Regal's bed space. Disclosure: I do not own a Regal currently (I drive a 330 SY Monterey now), but did own a different model in the past. I HAVE short cruised on one, good boat, excellent company. Call Regal to get details on the CAT genset - 1-407-851-4360.

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#431730 - 08/26/08 08:35 AM Re: Looking for suggestions on Cruiser/size criter [Re: seabuddy]
Capn Morgan Offline
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2005 Regal 2665 in Indianapolis too.

The price is a bit high IMO.

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#431732 - 08/26/08 08:41 AM Re: Looking for suggestions on Cruiser/size criter [Re: Capn Morgan]
seabuddy Offline
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Ask for a CAT genset, if you want A/C all night, anytime, anywhere or restrict your overnights to where you can plug in the boat's shore power at a marina. Alot of these may not have a genset or not the right genset.

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#431734 - 08/26/08 08:43 AM Re: Looking for suggestions on Cruiser/size criter [Re: seabuddy]
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Clean looking boat, BTW.

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#431736 - 08/26/08 09:06 AM Re: Looking for suggestions on Cruiser/size criter [Re: seabuddy]
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Get a 454 or a 496 if you are loading down the boat with lots of sleeping, eating, shower stuff and crew. A big block really wakes up the cruising speed at 3,000 rpm and the hole shot.

I pull off three Tahoe truck loads off mine each winter.

Cruisers just get loaded up as one uses them.

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