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#427834 - 08/08/08 08:07 AM Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle
chap256 Vice Admiral Registered: 04/25/06 Posts: 177 Loc: Georgia	I am looking for a tow vehicle. I like the gen I Tundra's. The gen II is nice, but not sure I want to spend the money and it is a massive vehicle. How do you think the Gen I would perform towing my boat? I estimate my boat would be between 6500 and 7000 with trailer. I think that I would be technically within the limit of this vehicle (6700) or close, but I would like it to be reasonably comfortable. I would primarily be towing a few miles to and from storage. I do have dellusions of trying to bring the boat down to the coast, not sure that would ever happen though. Vehicle specifics: 2005/2006 Tundra double cab 4x4. _________________________ Chapparal 256 SSI 496 MAG
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#427836 - 08/08/08 08:10 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: chap256]
D-Rod Admiral Registered: 06/25/05 Posts: 7463	Well....if you listen to the response of this board...they're going to say you NEED a bigger truck then a gen II Tundra. They are going to think you need a 3/4 ton diesel. You're going to be pushing the absolute max of a gen 1 Tundra. I think you would be better off trying to find a Ford F150 from that era. They're bigger, stronger trucks and would be a better tow choice for your boat. _________________________ Live your life in the Kelvin scale..........Stay Positive.
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#427843 - 08/08/08 08:38 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: D-Rod]
Bankonit27 Admiral Registered: 09/08/03 Posts: 1193 Loc: Geneva, Illinois	Unrelated but... isn't what your talking about a Gen II? I think Gen I were only regular and king cab and rated up to 5,000 lbs (late 90s?). In any case, it will do it, but like D said there are some better 1/2 ton choices from the same year. Nissan, Ford, GM... You are right on the edge of 3/4 versus 1/2 ton, but can get by without issue with a properly equipped 1/2 ton. _________________________ 1999 Crownline 266BR Mercruiser 7.4L MPI B3 pulled by a 2003 Ford Excursion
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#427848 - 08/08/08 08:53 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: Bankonit27]
D-Rod Admiral Registered: 06/25/05 Posts: 7463	No. The Tundra came out in 2000 I believe. You're thinking of the T100. _________________________ Live your life in the Kelvin scale..........Stay Positive.
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#427851 - 08/08/08 09:29 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: D-Rod]
deepv Safety Officer Admiral Registered: 03/17/04 Posts: 6607 Loc: SoCal	Originally Posted By: D-Rod Well....if you listen to the response of this board...they're going to say you NEED a bigger truck then a gen II Tundra. They are going to think you need a 3/4 ton diesel. You're going to be pushing the absolute max of a gen 1 Tundra. I think you would be better off trying to find a Ford F150 from that era. They're bigger, stronger trucks and would be a better tow choice for your boat. Yup. I rather be overpowered than right at the limit. It makes for a much more comfortable ride. That 256 with 496MAG is quite a heavy load and you will be limitted on how many people and how much gear you can carry. The tow rating is the total GVWR, including the additional weight of the 4WD system and all passengers and gear. _________________________ 72% of fatal boat accidents are caused by boaters that haven't taken a safe boating course. 2001 Sea Ray Sundeck 190 5.0 EFI Alpha I,Generation 2 2002 4x4 LB Lariat CC F250, 7.3PSD
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#427855 - 08/08/08 09:38 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: deepv]
chap256 Vice Admiral Registered: 04/25/06 Posts: 177 Loc: Georgia	I don't think diesel is in the cards. Ok - I'm convinced it would be a stretch for the Gen I. Just got off the phone with a dealer that has a used 07'. What do you think of this deal? 07' Tundra double cab 4 x 2 Limited 5.7L TRD Package 12,000 miles $21,500 + tax, tag and $299 doc fee. _________________________ Chapparal 256 SSI 496 MAG
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#427856 - 08/08/08 09:39 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: chap256]
D-Rod Admiral Registered: 06/25/05 Posts: 7463	Test drive it to make sure everything is "tight". Pop out a check. Tell him/her 21,000+tax+tag NO doc fee. or 20,700+tax+tag+doc fee. Enjoy! Edited by D-Rod (08/08/08 09:41 AM) _________________________ Live your life in the Kelvin scale..........Stay Positive.
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#427859 - 08/08/08 09:44 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: D-Rod]
D-Rod Admiral Registered: 06/25/05 Posts: 7463	Just looked..MSRP on that truck is about 35k. You should be able to pick up that "used" truck for 19 or 20k. The truck market is DEAD. You should be able to get a new Tundra Limited for 24/25k _________________________ Live your life in the Kelvin scale..........Stay Positive.
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#427860 - 08/08/08 09:46 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: chap256]
deepv Safety Officer Admiral Registered: 03/17/04 Posts: 6607 Loc: SoCal	I think right now you should be able to get a new one for UNDER the advertised "invoice" price which I have not checked. You could look on www.kbb.com , www.aaa.com , www.edmunds.com or www.nadaguides.com to gather pricing information. So a used one with 12k miles should go for at least 10% to 15% below the "invoice" price of a new one. Dropping the 4wd will get you a bit more cargo capacity but may be an issue at mossy launch ramps. Just a thought. _________________________ 72% of fatal boat accidents are caused by boaters that haven't taken a safe boating course. 2001 Sea Ray Sundeck 190 5.0 EFI Alpha I,Generation 2 2002 4x4 LB Lariat CC F250, 7.3PSD
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#427864 - 08/08/08 09:50 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: deepv]
D-Rod Admiral Registered: 06/25/05 Posts: 7463	KBB Trade in value: (bad market, so im saying trade in values should reflect retail sell prices) Condition Excellent $19,900 Good $18,785 Fair $16,825 I'd go to the dealer and offer 18,500. What do you have to loose? Go beat the sales guy up (sorry Troop). Edited by D-Rod (08/08/08 09:51 AM) _________________________ Live your life in the Kelvin scale..........Stay Positive.
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#427871 - 08/08/08 10:04 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: D-Rod]
chap256 Vice Admiral Registered: 04/25/06 Posts: 177 Loc: Georgia	This was after some negotiation. He had it listed at 25K or so with a "Internet" price of 23, 800. What I am having trouble with is pricing in the current market conditions. They are offering 5K on these trucks brand new, so where do I work from? Invoice or current new sales price,i.e, how do you price in the current incentives. They impact he used market, but not sure by how much. From carsdirect: MSRP: $36,710 Invoice: $34,190 Carsidrect: $29,390 _________________________ Chapparal 256 SSI 496 MAG
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#427876 - 08/08/08 10:15 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: chap256]
deepv Safety Officer Admiral Registered: 03/17/04 Posts: 6607 Loc: SoCal	The 5K should be applied after your best price, so 5k under "invoice". They may have taken this truck in (or back) and are "upside down" themselves on it and are trying to hold the price so they don't lose money. So keep looking. _________________________ 72% of fatal boat accidents are caused by boaters that haven't taken a safe boating course. 2001 Sea Ray Sundeck 190 5.0 EFI Alpha I,Generation 2 2002 4x4 LB Lariat CC F250, 7.3PSD
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#427878 - 08/08/08 10:16 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: deepv]
deepv Safety Officer Admiral Registered: 03/17/04 Posts: 6607 Loc: SoCal	Here's my way of buying a vehicle and of maintaining wealth too: Originally Posted By: deepv I still have at least 3 more years to go before even thinking of replacing this truck. Maybe even more as it is probably at less than ½ of its design life. So that would make six years or more w/o a payment. Am I bored with it? No way and I'm not so sure about these new-fangled partical trap systems either. There's no reason to haggle. Test drive what you like on the front line and then later ask for your best price on the exact vehicle you want with all the options you desire from several different dealer's fleet departements over the phone. Go with the one with the best price and be done with it. If you have a trade, sell it private party and skip the dealer's profit on that. Obtain your financing from the best time value of money offered by your C.U., bank or even the dealer. Buying a car is two separate transactions if you have no trade; best price and best cost of financing. If you have a trade, it is three separate transactions; adding in selling your current vehicle at the best posible price which most likely will not be as a trade-in at the dealership. The key though is to keep your vehicle well beyond the payments. _________________________ 72% of fatal boat accidents are caused by boaters that haven't taken a safe boating course. 2001 Sea Ray Sundeck 190 5.0 EFI Alpha I,Generation 2 2002 4x4 LB Lariat CC F250, 7.3PSD
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#427937 - 08/08/08 11:22 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: deepv]
Bankonit27 Admiral Registered: 09/08/03 Posts: 1193 Loc: Geneva, Illinois	My opinion, 4WD is great insurance. You never need until you don't have it. What about an SUV, they are even lower right now. YOu could get a nice Burb or Expedition with 4WD. D, your right I was thinking of the T100. _________________________ 1999 Crownline 266BR Mercruiser 7.4L MPI B3 pulled by a 2003 Ford Excursion
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#427940 - 08/08/08 11:27 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: deepv]
trooplewis Admiral Registered: 11/10/06 Posts: 3360 Loc: San Diego	I could only get the 4x2 to book out as an SR5, not a Ltd. If it was a trade-in here in San Diego, dealer would have offered about 11K for it, no joke, KBB fair is $13,500 with 12,000 miles. I think you can get a vehicle like that for $15,000 easily.
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#427952 - 08/08/08 11:49 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: trooplewis]
chap256 Vice Admiral Registered: 04/25/06 Posts: 177 Loc: Georgia	Thanks troop. I am seeing KBB fair as $16,825, what am I doing wrong-is KBB on the web different? Edited by chap256 (08/08/08 11:50 AM) _________________________ Chapparal 256 SSI 496 MAG
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#427958 - 08/08/08 12:00 PM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: chap256]
deepv Safety Officer Admiral Registered: 03/17/04 Posts: 6607 Loc: SoCal	My inkling is that the web pricing services are inflated compared to the pricing services that the dealers subscribe to in order to keep prices high. _________________________ 72% of fatal boat accidents are caused by boaters that haven't taken a safe boating course. 2001 Sea Ray Sundeck 190 5.0 EFI Alpha I,Generation 2 2002 4x4 LB Lariat CC F250, 7.3PSD
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#427960 - 08/08/08 12:08 PM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: deepv]
trooplewis Admiral Registered: 11/10/06 Posts: 3360 Loc: San Diego	I had a Used car manager hit an Escalade the other day at $10,000 below Fair condition. We made the deal, took the Escalade to the SD Auto Auction, and NO ONE put a single bid on it. ANything with 8 cylinders right now you should be able to buy retail for wholesale Blue Book or less.
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#427965 - 08/08/08 12:26 PM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: trooplewis]
Heyboer Vice Admiral Registered: 05/30/07 Posts: 428 Loc: Chicago	FYI two weeks ago I bought a 2004 Toy 4 runner V8 Limited for 2/3 of the KBB #.
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#428099 - 08/08/08 07:45 PM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: Heyboer]
patrick232 Admiral Registered: 01/16/03 Posts: 1037 Loc: Hilliard, OH	I think with a Gen I Tundra you will be pushing it with the boat. I know first hand we had a 2001 and 2002 Sequoia the would struggle with our Rinker 232 Cuddy. But the 2004 Tundra did a great job with it. The differecne was in the rearend gearing. When we got the Ebbtide 2600 I only towed it 2 or 3 times with the tundra and it was not fun. The QX56 did much better towing both boats. As you know the Duramax towed the Rinker like nothing and almost got a ticket. With the Ebbtide you could tell it was there. If you want to stay 1/2 gas I would look around for a Chevy or GMC with the 6.0 liter Tow Max package. _________________________ 2005 Infiniti QX56 4X4 2007 Nissan Maxima SE 2007 Moomba XLV 2008 Sea Doo GTI
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#428108 - 08/08/08 08:37 PM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: patrick232]
Faster Daddy Captain Registered: 04/24/06 Posts: 129 Loc: Plano, TX	I have had the experience owning both a gen 1 and a gen 2 Tundra. My boat is around 6500 and 7000# so I am in a similar situation to you. I will tell you that with that weight the gen 1 can do it, but your will definitely feel it and you will be pushing things a little. The longest tow I did with my gen 1 was about 80 miles and the truck did fine, but it was working. My 2007 pulls the boat like nothing. The truck is just built for heavier loads and it feels so much more comfortable. The 5.7 pulls like a champ. In my opinion I would go for more truck than a gen 1 to pull your load. If you had a smaller boat, I would consider the gen 1. _________________________ Tom 2005 FW Horizon 230 2007 Toyota Tundra Crewmax
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#430641 - 08/20/08 09:12 PM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: trooplewis]
Michael_P Lieutenant Commander Registered: 09/27/07 Posts: 81 Loc: Delaware Ohio	The 1st generation Tundras and the T100's tend to chew up ring and pinions when towing 5000 pounds or more over the long haul. Fine for occasional towing though. The new Tundras have the beefy 10.5 or 9.5 ring gears which will take anything you put behind it. Toyota realized this in the second generation.
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