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#427834 - 08/08/08 08:07 AM Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle
chap256 Offline
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I am looking for a tow vehicle. I like the gen I Tundra's. The gen II is nice, but not sure I want to spend the money and it is a massive vehicle. How do you think the Gen I would perform towing my boat? I estimate my boat would be between 6500 and 7000 with trailer.

I think that I would be technically within the limit of this vehicle (6700) or close, but I would like it to be reasonably comfortable. I would primarily be towing a few miles to and from storage. I do have dellusions of trying to bring the boat down to the coast, not sure that would ever happen though.

Vehicle specifics: 2005/2006 Tundra double cab 4x4.
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#427836 - 08/08/08 08:10 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: chap256]
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Well....if you listen to the response of this board...they're going to say you NEED a bigger truck then a gen II Tundra. They are going to think you need a 3/4 ton diesel.

You're going to be pushing the absolute max of a gen 1 Tundra. I think you would be better off trying to find a Ford F150 from that era. They're bigger, stronger trucks and would be a better tow choice for your boat.
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#427843 - 08/08/08 08:38 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: D-Rod]
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Unrelated but... isn't what your talking about a Gen II? I think Gen I were only regular and king cab and rated up to 5,000 lbs (late 90s?).

In any case, it will do it, but like D said there are some better 1/2 ton choices from the same year. Nissan, Ford, GM...

You are right on the edge of 3/4 versus 1/2 ton, but can get by without issue with a properly equipped 1/2 ton.
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#427848 - 08/08/08 08:53 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: Bankonit27]
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No. The Tundra came out in 2000 I believe. You're thinking of the T100.
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#427851 - 08/08/08 09:29 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: D-Rod]
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Originally Posted By: D-Rod
Well....if you listen to the response of this board...they're going to say you NEED a bigger truck then a gen II Tundra. They are going to think you need a 3/4 ton diesel.

You're going to be pushing the absolute max of a gen 1 Tundra. I think you would be better off trying to find a Ford F150 from that era. They're bigger, stronger trucks and would be a better tow choice for your boat.


Yup. I rather be overpowered than right at the limit. It makes for a much more comfortable ride. That 256 with 496MAG is quite a heavy load and you will be limitted on how many people and how much gear you can carry. The tow rating is the total GVWR, including the additional weight of the 4WD system and all passengers and gear.
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#427855 - 08/08/08 09:38 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: deepv]
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I don't think diesel is in the cards. Ok - I'm convinced it would be a stretch for the Gen I. Just got off the phone with a dealer that has a used 07'. What do you think of this deal?

07' Tundra double cab 4 x 2 Limited
5.7L
TRD Package
12,000 miles

$21,500 + tax, tag and $299 doc fee.
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#427856 - 08/08/08 09:39 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: chap256]
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Test drive it to make sure everything is "tight".

Pop out a check. Tell him/her 21,000+tax+tag NO doc fee. or 20,700+tax+tag+doc fee.

Enjoy!


Edited by D-Rod (08/08/08 09:41 AM)
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#427859 - 08/08/08 09:44 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: D-Rod]
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Just looked..MSRP on that truck is about 35k. You should be able to pick up that "used" truck for 19 or 20k. The truck market is DEAD. You should be able to get a new Tundra Limited for 24/25k
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#427860 - 08/08/08 09:46 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: chap256]
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I think right now you should be able to get a new one for UNDER the advertised "invoice" price which I have not checked. You could look on www.kbb.com , www.aaa.com , www.edmunds.com or www.nadaguides.com to gather pricing information. So a used one with 12k miles should go for at least 10% to 15% below the "invoice" price of a new one.

Dropping the 4wd will get you a bit more cargo capacity but may be an issue at mossy launch ramps. Just a thought.
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#427864 - 08/08/08 09:50 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: deepv]
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KBB Trade in value: (bad market, so im saying trade in values should reflect retail sell prices)

Condition

Excellent
$19,900
Good
$18,785
Fair
$16,825


I'd go to the dealer and offer 18,500. What do you have to loose? Go beat the sales guy up (sorry Troop).


Edited by D-Rod (08/08/08 09:51 AM)
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#427871 - 08/08/08 10:04 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: D-Rod]
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This was after some negotiation. He had it listed at 25K or so with a "Internet" price of 23, 800.

What I am having trouble with is pricing in the current market conditions. They are offering 5K on these trucks brand new, so where do I work from? Invoice or current new sales price,i.e, how do you price in the current incentives. They impact he used market, but not sure by how much.

From carsdirect:
MSRP: $36,710
Invoice: $34,190
Carsidrect: $29,390
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#427876 - 08/08/08 10:15 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: chap256]
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The 5K should be applied after your best price, so 5k under "invoice". They may have taken this truck in (or back) and are "upside down" themselves on it and are trying to hold the price so they don't lose money. So keep looking.
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#427878 - 08/08/08 10:16 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: deepv]
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Here's my way of buying a vehicle and of maintaining wealth too:

Originally Posted By: deepv
I still have at least 3 more years to go before even thinking of replacing this truck. Maybe even more as it is probably at less than ½ of its design life. So that would make six years or more w/o a payment. Am I bored with it? No way and I'm not so sure about these new-fangled partical trap systems either.

There's no reason to haggle. Test drive what you like on the front line and then later ask for your best price on the exact vehicle you want with all the options you desire from several different dealer's fleet departements over the phone. Go with the one with the best price and be done with it.

If you have a trade, sell it private party and skip the dealer's profit on that.

Obtain your financing from the best time value of money offered by your C.U., bank or even the dealer.
Buying a car is two separate transactions if you have no trade; best price and best cost of financing. If you have a trade, it is three separate transactions; adding in selling your current vehicle at the best posible price which most likely will not be as a trade-in at the dealership.

The key though is to keep your vehicle well beyond the payments.
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#427937 - 08/08/08 11:22 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: deepv]
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My opinion, 4WD is great insurance. You never need until you don't have it. What about an SUV, they are even lower right now. YOu could get a nice Burb or Expedition with 4WD.

D, your right I was thinking of the T100.
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#427940 - 08/08/08 11:27 AM Re: Gen I Tundra as Tow Vehicle [Re: deepv]
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I could only get the 4x2 to book out as an SR5, not a Ltd.

If it was a trade-in here in San Diego, dealer would have offered about 11K for it, no joke, KBB fair is $13,500 with 12,000 miles.

I think you can get a vehicle like that for $15,000 easily.

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