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#427824 - 08/08/08 07:46 AM Towing in 3rd gear.
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When I first bought my boat I was given the advice to only trailer it in 3rd gear and that is what I always do. Is this what everyone else does even on long flat highways? Can someone explain what the problem is when towing in Drive?

And another thing, why is it so bad to use Cruise when trailering?
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#427828 - 08/08/08 07:56 AM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: That English Guy]
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What is your tow vehicle?
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#427830 - 08/08/08 07:58 AM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: D-Rod]
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Yeah vehicle would help.

Towing in cruise has some different opinions. It won't hurt anything from my understanding, but your tow vehicle will leave its gonads on the asphalt trying to maintain speed going up a hill. By allowing the vehicle to slow while going up a hill it is easier on the vehicle and better for fuel mileage.
Using cruise on the level though will help you maintain a constant speed.
But using cruise allows you to become a bit lacs with attention which isn't good while towing.
Just some things to think about.
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#427833 - 08/08/08 08:03 AM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: That English Guy]
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I don't used O/D to keep the shifting to a minimum. I use cruise, but only in the boonies. In traffic I think it's much quicker (safer) to see a situation ahead and adjust your speed with foot pressure. In cruise I think most people wait a longer time to adjust speed, hoping the situation will go away. Getting to close to vehicals ahead.

It's very annoying to be in the left lane behind somebody whos in cruise and "passing" traffic in the right lane by 1 mile an hour. If your in the left lane GET MOVING.

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#427841 - 08/08/08 08:29 AM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: Heyboer]
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Tow vehicle is a Chevy Trailblazer and adequately tows my boat.
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#427842 - 08/08/08 08:34 AM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: That English Guy]
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I think that were asking more from a point of newer versus older. Just take it out of OD if it shifts in out OD. That creates too much heat and heat is bad for the transmission. Cruise is more of a safety issue in my opinion. It takes longer to react to something while you have cruise on, versus the vehicle slowing down as soon as you take your foot of the accelerator.

Around town and in hills definately out of OD, on the highway try it and see.
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#427849 - 08/08/08 09:25 AM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: Bankonit27]
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I use OD and cruise control all the time. If the RPM drops below around 2200, the engine is lugging and heating up so I take it out of OD and use 3rd. Your results WILL vary as this is particular to a diesel engine that is oversized compared to the load that I am towing.
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#427898 - 08/08/08 10:33 AM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: deepv]
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On the flats I put in in O/D, in hills and around town and traffic, I use the 'tow/haul' option.

Keeping it in 3rd all the time wastes gas IMHO. You need the extra power in hilly areas, but if you're on the flats, put her in D with O/D on. If she starts hunting for lower gear, drop her down.
And I concur with cruise control... not good for attentiveness, or quick actions.
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#427915 - 08/08/08 10:53 AM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: Nu2BoatN]
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When I towed my boat with a Suburban, tow-haul mode really wouldn't engage o/d until over 60mpg. I'd tow in o/d as long as it wasn't constantly shifting back and forth. With our travel trailer o/d isn't an option. The Suburban wouldn't pull it in o/d even on flat ground.

My Expedition has a 6speed trans. I can't select 5th gear. If I use the o/d lockout it goes uses 4th which keeps the rpms near 3k @ 60mph. I just to in o/d and it tows my boat in 6th fairly well. I haven't had an issue of to much shifting between 4th-6th, but if I do, I'll certainly lock the 2 o/d gears out.

I use cruise on the highway. In my Suburban the cruise was slow to react. The CC would loose 3-5 mph up a hill then kick down to second to catch back up, so I didn't use cruise in the hills.


Edited by RX 4 Fun (08/08/08 10:57 AM)
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#427926 - 08/08/08 11:01 AM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: RX 4 Fun]
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Likewise, in traffic and hilly area's I just turn off OD. Shift to 3rd only when needed while going up steep grade. I let the RPMs dictate what input is needed from me.
On long flat roads, I use OD and may use CC for a stretch.
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#427934 - 08/08/08 11:21 AM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: Hockey Family]
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Just keep an eye on the tach and the terrain.

You should not be trying to tow your boat up a hill at 2000 rpms.

On the other hand, going downhill at 3000 rpms is a waste of gas unless you need the engine braking.

I don't use cruise control while towing, it is too unpredictable.

Whoever told you that was trying to help you avoid the transmission 'hunting' for the correct gear, which puts a lot of wear on the tranny if it is constantly shifting up and down.

You will be able to feel that if you are paying attention, and in such case go ahead and stay in 3rd. But other than that, you should be ok in Drive.

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#427963 - 08/08/08 12:20 PM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: trooplewis]
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I don't know, troop. The cruise control in my truck does the job for long hauls on the interstate, but there are times when it needs to be overridden. Even with the cruise control on, I still activelly participate in driving.
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#428106 - 08/08/08 08:32 PM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: deepv]
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Does your Trailblazer have a tow/haul switch or an OD switch? If so then just use that to lock out The overdrive and just use third gear for steeper hills.

Alot depends on your rear end gearing as well. with 373 gears you will have more towing power than with 355 gears and can use the OD on flat ground.

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#428112 - 08/08/08 09:02 PM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: prober]
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I'm pretty sure it has the OD switch.
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#428118 - 08/08/08 10:03 PM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: That English Guy]
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TEG:

In your situation, I think it's best to keep it in 3rd. The 4.2L I6 engine is a fantastic power engine, but it's rev happy. The fuel burn between O/D and 3rd is at best 1mpg difference. Realistically, you're only looking at a 0.3/0.4mpg savings. There are a lot of risks involved. You can try the above mentioned put in O/D methods once you're up to speed...but if the rpm's jump at all (200rpm is NOT acceptable) at any point to maintain speed, I would pull it into 3rd. Your engine/transmission are less stressed in 3rd than O/D in this loaded situation. The combination runs cooler in 3rd than O/D. Heat is the killer.
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#428119 - 08/08/08 10:11 PM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: That English Guy]
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The key to any GM 4sp Overdrive transmission is to keep the torque converter locked up in 4th gear. If your torque converter unlocks in 4th gear and doesn't downshift to 3rd gear right away, that is a bad bad bad thing. If you can't tell when the torque converter locks and unlocks, then manually pull the gear selector into D (3rd gear) and leave it there.
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#428120 - 08/08/08 10:13 PM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: prober]
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Originally Posted By: prober

Alot depends on your rear end gearing as well. with 373 gears you will have more towing power than with 355 gears and can use the OD on flat ground.


Since he lives in MN, I'll assume his truck is 4wd. Nearly all Trailblazer 4wds have at the 3.73 gears, with 4.10 being an option.
If you really want to know, TEG, look in the glovebox, and the sticker in there will have a bunch of three digit codes. Go to the "G"s. GU6 is 3.42, GT4 is 3.73 and GT5 is 4.10.


Edited by BillyB (08/08/08 10:16 PM)
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#428121 - 08/08/08 10:19 PM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: BillyB]
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I could be WRONG....but i'm about 99.999% sure it has tow-haul.

If it has "3" as a gear selection, then it has T/H. Otherwise O/D off would be "3". The 4L60 (which is what I think it has) i think came standard with T/H. T/H will keep the T/C locked up on the highway at least. However, honestly, your safe bet is to keep it in 3rd. I always use 3rd with our Tahoe because it hunts too much in O/D with T/H on. We're only talking a 4000lbs boat.
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#428123 - 08/08/08 10:23 PM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: D-Rod]
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#428124 - 08/08/08 11:18 PM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: D-Rod]
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3rd gear only when towing for me. And virtually no cruise. My 4.6L runs around 2,800rpm @ 65mph while towing on ~flat terrain.
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#428152 - 08/09/08 10:37 AM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: D-Rod]
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Originally Posted By: D-Rod
I could be WRONG....but i'm about 99.999% sure it has tow-haul.



When my wife gets home I'll investigate.
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#428876 - 08/12/08 10:35 PM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: That English Guy]
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The one time I've been able to take my boat out this year, I pretty much left it in 3rd. When I was goin on level or slightly down hill I put it back in OD. Anything goin up or downhill back in 3rd I went.

Needless to say I was in 3rd most of the time. Seemed as tho thats where my truck liked to be..And, yes my truck talks to me..When it does I listen... help
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#429002 - 08/13/08 10:57 AM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: fishntoss]
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Third Gear and NO OD for me -- I tow with a 4.6L Expedition. If put it in OD it takes more throttle are returns LOWER gas mileage than in third --at the lower RPM of OD the engine just doesn't develope the needed torque. I am also at max weight limit.
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#431132 - 08/22/08 09:21 PM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: That English Guy]
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Originally Posted By: That English Guy
When I first bought my boat I was given the advice to only trailer it in 3rd gear and that is what I always do. Is this what everyone else does even on long flat highways? Can someone explain what the problem is when towing in Drive?

And another thing, why is it so bad to use Cruise when trailering?
On long flat highways, I set the cruise controll at or near highway maximum speed limit (generally within 5mph) and drive, in OD (4-speed automatic).

In hilly terrain ( I mean really genuinely hilly), I'll go to 3rd (like in southern Mo/Northern Ark, last weekend). A slight rise that kicks it to passing gear does not get me out of 4th.
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#431299 - 08/24/08 05:26 AM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: Lowrider78]
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The manufacturer and manuals all say to tow in 3rd. If you blow out your tranny will your warranty cover it if you tow in O/D?. For a few cents I always tow in 3rd.
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#431326 - 08/24/08 10:52 AM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: bperg]
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I just use the tow/haul button. It still allows it to be in 6th, but the shift points are changed and I rarely get going fast enough to get it in 6th.
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#433866 - 09/07/08 08:29 PM Re: Towing in 3rd gear. [Re: Silverbullet]
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I'm similar to Dale. We have an Expy with the 4.6. Unfortunately, I also have 3.31 gears. I can pull on flat land with OD, but ANY rise in the highway forces a downshift to maintain speed. I generally go to the lake with OD off (generally uphill for an hour) and turn it on for parts of the return trip. With OD off, I can cruise at 65 turning about 2400 with power to spare. If I remember right. OD on drops me to 1600 and no power. AC makes a noticible difference towing in OD. I added a pretty oversized tranny cooler to help handle the heat.

I use cruise if the ground is reasonably flat. Turn it off in the hills though. If I try to maintain 65 up a couple of the hills on my lake route, I would be in 2nd turning over 4k RPM's. I just move over to the slow lane and cruise up at 50-55. I think at 4000 RPM, I can literally watch the gas hand moving....

The 3.31's are beautiful without the boat though. Can set the cruise at 58 and make the trip to my hometown, ~200 mile round trip on 2 lane roads, averaging 21-22mpg. Towing down the interstate gets me 10-12 there and 12-14 back. 4th of July, I got 15 back.
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