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#425405 - 07/29/08 02:58 PM
Re: 5.8 quake just hit
[Re: Brian S]
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Registered: 03/17/04
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Loc: SoCal
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DeepV
at what point do structures start to crumble?? Which, if any are expected to make it through the "BIG ONE". That is going to vary based upon several things. Distance from the epicenter; Ground acceleration; Soil conditions at the building site; Construction type; DETAILING OF THE CRITICAL CONNECTIONS; PROPER CONSTRUCTION; ADEQUATE INSPECTION. The powers that be want to cut out the last thing as much as possible saying that it is not cost effective. We need a big one to shake things up, politically. I cannot wait. We have the technology to prevent major damage, building collapse and loss of life. More directly, single story wood frame structures without a lot of window openings will perform well. Old unreinforced masonry buildings will perform not so well. Many of these "ductile" connections in structural steel buildings built in a period from about 1980 to 2006(!) were proven to not be all that ductile in the Northridge EQ in 1994. Many were built AFTER that quake and many built before have not been repaired. A lot of these structures were near collapse after the Northridge EQ and that was only a richter magnitude 6.9. The big one will be at least 10 times stronger than that. Hey if FLB gets to soapbox to everbody on here about the banking system, don't I get to about this said state of affairs?
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#425410 - 07/29/08 03:03 PM
Re: 5.8 quake just hit
[Re: deepv]
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Registered: 03/17/04
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Loc: SoCal
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Twenty-six urban areas in the United States are at risk of significant seismic activity:
Albuquerque, N. Mex. Anchorage, Alaska Boise, Idaho Boston, Mass. Charleston, S.C. Chattanooga-Knoxville, Tenn. Eugene-Springfield, Oreg. Evansville, Ind. Fresno, Calif. Las Vegas, Nev. Los Angeles, Calif. Memphis, Tenn. New York, N.Y. Portland, Oreg. Provo-Orem, Utah Reno, Nev. Sacramento, Calif. St. Louis, Mo. Salinas, Calif. Salt Lake City, Utah San Diego, Calif. San Francisco-Oakland, Calif. San Juan, P.R. Santa Barbara, Calif. Seattle, Wash. Stockton-Lodi, Calif.
Are you ready?
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#425574 - 07/29/08 10:31 PM
Re: 5.8 quake just hit
[Re: deepv]
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Registered: 01/13/03
Posts: 763
Loc: The Dark Side....
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Twenty-six urban areas in the United States are at risk of significant seismic activity:
Albuquerque, N. Mex.
Are you ready? We have been hearing that here for some time. This is a major fault zone. Small earthquakes with a moment magnitude greater than 1.3 commonly occur in New Mexico, but earthquakes with a magnitude of 5.0 or greater that can cause significant property damage are relatively rare events here. We have been having these very bizarre short 'rolling' blackouts tonight. What makes these really unusual is that they are city wide. I was just talking to a lady friend across town on my cell, when she asks if my power just flickerd (which it had). She is at the foothills area next to the Sandia Mt. range, I am many miles away up on the West Mesa next to five extinct (we hope) volcanos. Checked with a couple of people near I-25 in the bar area, same thing there. I have servers and desktops all over the house, several of the desktops rebooted (anything not sitting on a UPS, yet the lights flicker only slightly. Had about ten of them in the last hour. Pretty friggin' weird. Almost has to be a city feeder coming in from somewhere..... Guess I need to make sure I am not being 'microwaved' tonight by the NSA...... 
Edited by Cigar Man (07/29/08 10:35 PM)
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#425575 - 07/29/08 10:33 PM
Re: 5.8 quake just hit
[Re: Frantically Relaxing]
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Registered: 11/10/06
Posts: 3428
Loc: San Diego
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Having grown up in L.A, I went some big earthquakes, I remember (in the 6.6 one in 1971) watching the water in my pool slop out at one end and then expose the lower step at the other end. My perception in terms of buildings and damages: There are "cracking" earthquakes that give you a sharp lateral jolt, and there are "rolling" earthquakes that seem to last longer, but do less damage, they seem to be in waves underground rather than the sharp lateral movement that does more damage. I'd rather be in a 7.0 rolling one than a 6.5 cracking one. It does get spooky when they last longer than 5 or 6 seconds. The 1971 one lasted almost 60 seconds, and seemed to build (that why I think of it as a rolling quake) in strength as it went on. Both it and the Northridge quake put some cracks in the plaster ceiling and walls of my parents Whittier house; they are about 8 miles from the epicenter of the 1971 quake. And I would take a quake over a tornado any day...but then again, I haven't been through the Big One, may change my mind if we get an 8.0 or better. You all know that an 8.1 is twice as strong as an 8.0 quake, right? They run on an exponential scale. So an 8.0 is 11 times as strong as a 6.9 The Kern County series of quakes in 1952 reached 7.7 and rank as second-largest in the United States since records were kept, behind San Francisco's 8.3 cataclysm of 1906.
The great Alaska shake of March 27, 1964, with a magnitude of 8.5 was the strongest ever recorded in the nation. I think I'll go listen to "Atlantis" by Donovan now...
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#425580 - 07/29/08 10:59 PM
Re: 5.8 quake just hit
[Re: deepv]
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Registered: 06/15/04
Posts: 4616
Loc: Reno, NV
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Twenty-six urban areas in the United States are at risk of significant seismic activity:
Albuquerque, N. Mex. Anchorage, Alaska Boise, Idaho Boston, Mass. Charleston, S.C. Chattanooga-Knoxville, Tenn. Eugene-Springfield, Oreg. Evansville, Ind. Fresno, Calif. Las Vegas, Nev. Los Angeles, Calif. Memphis, Tenn. New York, N.Y. Portland, Oreg. Provo-Orem, Utah Reno, Nev. Sacramento, Calif. St. Louis, Mo. Salinas, Calif. Salt Lake City, Utah San Diego, Calif. San Francisco-Oakland, Calif. San Juan, P.R. Santa Barbara, Calif. Seattle, Wash. Stockton-Lodi, Calif.
Are you ready? For those thinking that CAlifornia is the only place, I would rather take an occasional earthquake than annual tornados and hurricanes. That is just my opinion. As for the big one. It is what it is and is not something I can control. I however can be prepared and intend to be in a position to take care of my family. On a side note, " the big one" will likely create the type of social unrest that may be the catalyst to free this country from the current government since the government won't be capable of taking care of those that are used to being taken care of. Back to the topic at hand, I slept through the Loma Prieta (sp) quake in 89. Only time will tell what will happen. The big one could happen tomorrow or not for 1000 years.
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