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#422847 - 07/19/08 11:05 PM Re: Do CAFE really mean anything [Re: D-Rod]
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On second thought, if's a 25 minute walk, it's about 1.2 miles. That can be difficult for the standard PT system in my brief experience.

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#422858 - 07/20/08 06:23 AM Re: Do CAFE really mean anything [Re: D-Rod]
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He must not ride his bike very fast if he could walk it in 25!!
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#422859 - 07/20/08 06:30 AM Re: Do CAFE really mean anything [Re: Bankonit27]
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There is one hill in Peoria, and his office is halfway down it. He can walk up the hill faster than he could pedal his bike. And he also rode his bike on all back streets instead of directly, due to traffic. I think he pared the bike ride to 10 minutes by riding on the main road the next day.

D-Rod, it was just the transit time. It was due to the bus actually took him the opposite direction from his office to the downtown transfer station where he had to change buses. One of which broke down one day. With wait time at the stops, he was spending almost an extra 3 hours each day getting to work.


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#422909 - 07/20/08 10:17 AM Re: Do CAFE really mean anything [Re: Andyk2]
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Originally Posted By: Andyk2
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First off, 16 seconds from 0-60 is NOT a slow pace, it's a very brisk pace.


Maybe in Kansas smile. I doubt very many people here take more then 10 or 12 secinds to accelerate up to 60. I know I don't. I consider under 10 a brisk pace, hard acceleration for most modern cars. You try an merge that slow in some places and you'll be losing bumpers.


HEY NOW!!!! nono



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Yea, we have a few of those people here who like to get on the highway at 25 mph, take well over a HALF MINUITE to get to 55, or drive to the end of the MERGE lane, and sit, while highway traffic blows past them in 3 lanes, at 70 to 75mph (saw this exact one Friday, AGAIN mad )

At least I was one going past him, not sitting behind him.

I think the problem has gotten worse due to the price of gas. I seem to find MORE idiots doing (legally mind you), 50 or 55 on the 70MPH highway on my commute to and from work than I used to a few years ago.
Add to it the (again) idiots of the "hyper-mileage" variety who WILL NOT drive over 35mph, shut the car off and coast any time they get on a downhill, shut off at ALL stoplights, as little braking as absolutely possible (kinetic energy conservation), drafting simi-trailers, etc, etc.
Hyper-miling

Taught my kids (and steps) the reason it is called an "acceleration lane", it is used to ACCELERATE to highway speed, to merge into traffic, AT HIGHWWAY SPEED, so as to not jack up the traffic flow and cause accidents.

One of my pet peeves. LOL


BTW, I believe it has been tested and shown, that AC on the highway, HELPS gas mileage over running with the windows down (drag increase).
Roasting with the windows up, different story.

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#422957 - 07/20/08 01:24 PM Re: Do CAFE really mean anything [Re: Lowrider78]
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Mass transit is not the solution to our problems. It can be a partial solution for some areas, but most times, the only thing they help is eliminating gridlock in some high density zones. The real losers with mass transit are the women, children and elderly. That is because anytime they are waiting at a stop, they are a potential victim. Any time you have high density occupation, you have a higher chance of being a crime victim. What is needed, is a mass transit system that can do door-to-door service.
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#422959 - 07/20/08 01:50 PM Re: Do CAFE really mean anything [Re: seadog]
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Like some of those "beam-me-up-Scotty" things.
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#422966 - 07/20/08 02:52 PM Re: Do CAFE really mean anything [Re: seadog]
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Originally Posted By: seadog
Mass transit is not the solution to our problems. It can be a partial solution for some areas, but most times, the only thing they help is eliminating gridlock in some high density zones. The real losers with mass transit are the women, children and elderly. That is because anytime they are waiting at a stop, they are a potential victim. Any time you have high density occupation, you have a higher chance of being a crime victim. What is needed, is a mass transit system that can do door-to-door service.


Several cities with populations in excess of 50,000 have been extremely successful with the PT bus systems. We're talking 4+million rides per year.

How many people live on the west coast wish they had the MT system NYC has?

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#423047 - 07/20/08 08:41 PM Re: Do CAFE really mean anything [Re: D-Rod]
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You are missing the point. Mass transit's failure is that when you cater to the masses, you disenfranchise the weaker members of society. The wolves travel with the masses, looking for the stragglers. That is all right in the wilderness, but not acceptable in our society. The only way to protect them, requires that additional resources be spent on security. The need varies from community to community, but always remember that it a risk factor.

Until we find a solution(s) that takes care of everyone, we have to explore options. This situation is going to make a lot of changes to our lives. Less suburbs and more cluster communities. The ideal concept would use some type of personal transit to commute within the cluster, and mass transit between clusters. There is no real need for taking a bus or other similar transport for going a mile or two, but no solution will be ideal for those cases. Walking is weather restrictive, and affected by personal risk, not to mention health. Bicycles suffer from the same restrictions, plus a need for dedicated travel lanes. Changes will happen, but only after a lot of investments from various sources.
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