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#420683 - 07/09/08 10:49 PM and MORE bad news...UPDATED
Frantically Relaxing Offline
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Here's another news story, and this one is just too close to home...
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My friends in or around Utah may have seen this story on the news. Watch the video, and especially take notice of the truck...

It may look familiar to some of you...


Edited by Frantically Relaxing (07/18/08 10:02 AM)
Edit Reason: updated below
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#420689 - 07/09/08 11:28 PM Re: and MORE bad news....(this is getting old, folks) [Re: Frantically Relaxing]
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Wow FR - that truck looks way too familiar!

My heart goes out to the family... especially the three young kids...
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#420701 - 07/10/08 05:40 AM Re: and MORE bad news....(this is getting old, folks) [Re: Frantically Relaxing]
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That is truly sad indeed. 3 kids and a wife and dead at 34. Man that sucks!

What did the DOT drug and alcohol tests show on the driver of the truck? Hope your buddy paid his insurance premiums and that his policy limit is over $1,000,000 cause the claim is going to be huge. frown


Edited by BillyB (07/10/08 05:42 AM)
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#420720 - 07/10/08 07:35 AM Re: and MORE bad news....(this is getting old, folks) [Re: BillyB]
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I'm guessing that alcohol/drugs were not a factor. I'm guessing that given the size of the semi rig, that the driver was going too fast to be able to stop safely, or, just thought that he'd be better off going through the light, or was just not paying attention. I feel bad for all parties involved, more for the victim who perished of course.
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#420721 - 07/10/08 07:41 AM Re: and MORE bad news....(this is getting old, folks) [Re: Bowline]
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Comments above are right on track. Sad for all. The 25-yr old driving the semi is in deep pookey right now. With witnesses who say the motorcyclist had the green light, it's going to be bad for the trucker.
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#420726 - 07/10/08 07:58 AM Re: and MORE bad news....(this is getting old, folks) [Re: GoFirstClass]
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Doesn't look like the truck ran over the motorcycle, just bumped into it.

Sympathies to all involved.

I do always like to analyze an accident like this.

1. Motorcyclist riding to work - probably to save gas, instead lost his life.
2. Appears to be a "cruiser style" motorcycle - Victory maybe - was the rider wearing a helmet.
3. Appears to be relatively light impact - which makes me think the motorcyclist died from injuries suffered when he hit the ground, rather than the impact.
4. If it was light impact - it would have been a fender-bender if he had been in a car.


Lessons learned:

1. Don't ride a motorcycle to work to save gas. Buy a Toyota Corolla.
2. Be especially careful these days because people are riding motorcycles to work.

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#420731 - 07/10/08 08:07 AM Re: and MORE bad news....(this is getting old, fol [Re: GoFirstClass]
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Sadly, 'not paying attention' is the likely reason, and being a motorcycle rider, I have to apply that to both of them. I was told: The truck stopped in 50', even loaded, so the truck's speed shouldn't have been a factor. What may have been a factor is the large sun visor on the truck. Insurance shouldn't be a problem. Exactly if, and how green the light actually was is in question. A lot of investigating will be taking place...

That's about all that I know for sure.

As an aside, how superstitious should I be? I started a thread about boat name-changing and I why maybe I shouldn't....LBS's good friends, who I had the pleasure of meeting and spending a day with, lose their lives on their Goldwing--I drive a Goldwing...and now, another motorcycle rider dies after colliding into my friend and the very truck that's in my signature photo below. They say things come in three's...if ever there was a "number three", I seem to be in prime position!
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#420734 - 07/10/08 08:17 AM Re: and MORE bad news....(this is getting old, folks) [Re: Indyboater]
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OK, I looked again. Motorcycle is Harley - unless Utah is a helmet state, I guarantee there was no motorcycle helmet being worn.

Looks like the impact was harder than I thought, due to the bent front bumper of the truck, however the truck is stopped about 40 feet past the intersection, so it wasn't going very fast when it hit the MC. Motorcycle isn't very damaged at all.

My bet is the motorcyclist either hit his head on the truck during the impact or on the ground after the impact. Either way, truckdriver is going to be blamed.

Folks, if you're going to ride a motorcycle, at least put a helmet on.

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#420735 - 07/10/08 08:17 AM Re: and MORE bad news....(this is getting old, fol [Re: Indyboater]
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Originally Posted By: Indyboater
Doesn't look like the truck ran over the motorcycle, just bumped into it.
I'm not sure if the truck hit the bike or vice versa

Sympathies to all involved.

I do always like to analyze an accident like this.

1. Motorcyclist riding to work - probably to save gas, instead lost his life.
2. Appears to be a "cruiser style" motorcycle - Victory maybe - was the rider wearing a helmet.
3. Appears to be relatively light impact - which makes me think the motorcyclist died from injuries suffered when he hit the ground, rather than the impact.
4. If it was light impact - it would have been a fender-bender if he had been in a car.

Lessons learned:

1. Don't ride a motorcycle to work to save gas. Buy a Toyota Corolla.
2. Be especially careful these days because people are riding motorcycles to work.


Was reported on the news he WAS wearing a helmet...

I always fear for my life while riding. I've been on 2 wheeled vehicle's since I was 9, and I've highway ridden bikes for 32 years so far. And I readily admit that I took a several-year hiatus from riding after becoming wary of dodging idiots in cars & trucks. I've since found that big (full-dress Goldwings etc) and/or loud (straightpiped Harley's) are a cyclist's best friend.

With all due respect to the victim, and speaking strictly as a rider, I'm not sure why he didn't/couldn't see the truck coming. But I realize that's not always going to change the end result.


Edited by Frantically Relaxing (07/10/08 08:18 AM)
Edit Reason: yes, helmet was used
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#420736 - 07/10/08 08:20 AM Re: and MORE bad news....(this is getting old, fol [Re: Frantically Relaxing]
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Tragic.

Anyone else find this statement from his employer kinda weird?

"He was probably the most dedicated guy that I knew with his job, with the underlying pretense that he was supporting his family."

I used to love motorcycles - I've grown afraid of driving one ... age maybe ... so vulnerable ... so many inattentive drivers ...
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#420742 - 07/10/08 08:53 AM Re: and MORE bad news....(this is getting old, fol [Re: Frantically Relaxing]
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Originally Posted By: Frantically Relaxing
Was reported on the news he WAS wearing a helmet...


That's surprising.

Wonder how he died then? The impact couldn't have been that hard. Possible ruptured aorta, but again that would take a pretty good impact.

Also it's possible that the helmet he was wearing was a non DOT approved one - some of those are just about like wearing nothing.

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#420743 - 07/10/08 08:55 AM Re: and MORE bad news....(this is getting old, fol [Re: Philr]
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Tragic story for sure. I'm not one to analyze accident scenes and try to speculate.. just sad for everyone involved.
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As an aside, how superstitious should I be? I started a thread about boat name-changing and I why maybe I shouldn't.

Changing name on boats.... when we changed the name of the sailboat I worked on, we had a Hawaiian Kahuna come and bless her... perhaps FR, should you really want to rename your craft, consider a similar ceremony using a local priest, pastor, etc.. just to be safe! wink
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#420744 - 07/10/08 09:01 AM Re: and MORE bad news....(this is getting old, folks) [Re: Indyboater]
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Originally Posted By: Indyboater
Doesn't look like the truck ran over the motorcycle, just bumped into it.

Sympathies to all involved.

I do always like to analyze an accident like this.

1. Motorcyclist riding to work - probably to save gas, instead lost his life.
2. Appears to be a "cruiser style" motorcycle - Victory maybe - was the rider wearing a helmet.
3. Appears to be relatively light impact - which makes me think the motorcyclist died from injuries suffered when he hit the ground, rather than the impact.
4. If it was light impact - it would have been a fender-bender if he had been in a car.


Lessons learned:

1. Don't ride a motorcycle to work to save gas. Buy a Toyota Corolla.
2. Be especially careful these days because people are riding motorcycles to work.


Looks like a HD Duece to me however the make and model of the bike is not the important part.

I may have mentioned this before, my wife asks why I don't ride my motorcycle to work more often and I tell her that I would rather drive the truck which gets 14 mpg and have a better chance of coming home at night then ride the bike that gets 40+ mpg and risk not coming home.
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#420746 - 07/10/08 09:07 AM Re: and MORE bad news....(this is getting old, folks) [Re: On Holiday]
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I couldn't hear the clip as my computer doesn't have that option.

The motorcyclist should also be responsible..just because the light turns green doesn't mean he can go. Regardless of what is transporting you, you need to make sure that the coast is clear. I am not sure if the light just turned from red to green or was green for a long time before the motorcyclist came to the intersection. The truck is a big truck and probably makes some noise with those two stacks. Regardless, still sad to see a fellow rider die.
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#420754 - 07/10/08 09:28 AM Re: and MORE bad news....(this is getting old, folks) [Re: Frantically Relaxing]
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The right upright of the grille is dented as are some of the bars of the grille, that is too high to have impacted the bike. That is where the rider hit the truck

As far as the cycle being at fault, I highly doubt it. It looks to me like it's a large intersection of two 4 lane streets with left turn lanes. It also appears that the semi truck was in the left lane of his direction of travel. So, if the cycle was in his curb lane, his view would have been blocked by stopped traffic to his left and also by the traffic to the truck's right. Unfortunately an accident that happens 100s of time across the country. Just fatal in this case.


Edited by BillyB (07/10/08 09:30 AM)
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