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#415985 - 06/22/08 11:16 PM Almost...but Trailer had other plans (Long post)
kenhdog Offline
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Well finally got our first scheduled '08 day on the water planned.

Prepped the boat, did some quick checks and maintenance on the trailer, including checking the brake fluid, topping up the bearing buddies, etc.

Loaded up the family and we were off to the lake, a 40 mile trip up to Lake Piru.

About 20 miles into the trip I thought about pulling over to check the trailer condition. Missed the first turn out, but had to quickly recover, when stopped at a light, a passing car alerted me that 'something is wrong'. Sure enough there was smoke coming from my left front trailer wheel! eek Pulled off the road in a nearby Gas station and used their water to cool it down. Burnt rubber smell emanating... bug_eyes

Aww man....?!!! crying

Well, never been stranded with a broken boat/trailer before, so what's next (3 kids and a wife probably thinking "What now daddy??"....(Yeah what now!!) ouch

Cool under fire, calculated my options. Can a boat/trailer be towed home? Flatbed? Should I leave it off the side road and come back for repairs? or ??

First called AAA. No dice. smirk (1st lesson learned - I guess I should have/add the RV option with my motorist coverage). Lady was nice though, gave me a courtesy call back to offer finding my a local shop to tow if I needed it...(I guess I sounded pitiful and disappointed when we first hung up).

I then recalled that there was a local Boat Dealer about 10 miles away, but it was Sunday, and I couldn't remember the name of it. Called my boat dealer/friend at home who looked up the local Boat Dealer.

Wife suggested I unhook the boat and go searching (Great Idea! thumb ) We unhooked and drove a few miles and found the shop, which was open!!! d My dealer friend offered to call ahead, and give a referral.

Help!, Help!, What to do? Do you know any tow services? Can I at least tow it here?, Was It my bearings?, Who?, What?, How?, Why? crazy

Dealer offers to store it and let his folks look at it. Cool!! In the course of the converstation and once my battery of rambling questions slow down, one of the dealer reps mentions/asks about Brakes, brake fluid, emergency cable actuator...hmmmm, maybe it was.... idn ouch the opposite wheel was pretty hot also...,and my truck seemed sluggish...yep quite possibly brakes!

I decide to pump the bearings full of grease again, hopefully good enough to limp it a few miles to the dealer. (2nd Lesson Learned - Keep a hand grease gun in the boat/truck)

Back at the trailer, I play around with the actuator, and do notice that the emergency cable is pulled/taught a bit...I release it back, pump in some grease and limp it 7 miles down the road to the dealer. (3rd Lessons Learned - Add checking the brake emergency cable condition as part the departure pre-checks (I bet the kids pulled on it while stored in the driveway mad ))

I drop it off and we head home.... frown

Dealer says for a couple of hundred bucks, he'll have his techs run a summer groom package on the boat and trailer. It includes some 200 point check, and oil change.

I guess we'll take it from there.

Questions for the experts:
After (assumed) heat from brake dragging, what else should I look out for in that axle?
Is the emergency actuator cable that sensitive? It was pulled out about 1.5 inches beyond it's fully retracted position.
Both my front axle wheels were heated, (the rear tandems were normal). Is the braking on the front wheels only? (I've never torn apart a trailer...yet!)
What should I expect to possible replace? Brake shoes? Drum? Seals? Bearings? Tire? (burnt rubber). Axle/Spindle?

Thanks for any experience, advice, condolences....
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#416000 - 06/22/08 11:52 PM Re: Almost...but Trailer had other plans (Long post) [Re: kenhdog]
230 Mike Offline
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Wow, that has to be an overwhelming experience when you're on the side of the road with it. Nothing but questions as far as the eye can see. Sorry your day was ruined! But, at least everyone was OK.

I'd have them check the tires of course, but the burning rubber may have just been the rubber boots on the caliper pistons. Probably looking at a caliper rebuild, new pads of course, and bearing/race replacement. Which shouldn't actually be all that expensive believe it or not. They should check the hubs & spindles for any signs of heat damage, but I bet they're OK.
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#416003 - 06/23/08 12:06 AM Re: Almost...but Trailer had other plans (Long post) [Re: kenhdog]
athiker Offline
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Originally Posted By: kenhdog

Both my front axle wheels were heated, (the rear tandems were normal). Is the braking on the front wheels only? (I've never torn apart a trailer...yet!)



Glad everyone is okay and you caught it early. I know very little really but can answer that my tandem trailer only has brakes on one axle. How do I know this?...I can't fit my mongo chain through one of my wheels b/c of the brake gear! The wheel w/o the brakes it fits through fine.

Hope the fix doesn't hit the pocketbook too hard. Replacing and repacking the bearings shouldn't be too bad, but I don't know about the brakes. I believe I've seen some pretty detailed instructions on trailer brake repair on here though.
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#416011 - 06/23/08 12:33 AM Re: Almost...but Trailer had other plans (Long post) [Re: athiker]
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Just to sound optimistic, it's likely you did no damage at all other than glaze the brake pads. If both brakes were dragging and only one side was smoking, you may have caught it early. Getting the grease hot enough to liquify it is a main problem with dragging brakes, that's what leads to bearing failures and bent axles.

I'm curious to see what the dealer sez...
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#416021 - 06/23/08 03:37 AM Re: Almost...but Trailer had other plans (Long [censored] [Re: kenhdog]
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Originally Posted By: kenhdog

Questions for the experts:
After (assumed) heat from brake dragging, what else should I look out for in that axle?
Is the emergency actuator cable that sensitive? It was pulled out about 1.5 inches beyond it's fully retracted position.
Both my front axle wheels were heated, (the rear tandems were normal). Is the braking on the front wheels only? (I've never torn apart a trailer...yet!)
What should I expect to possible replace? Brake shoes? Drum? Seals? Bearings? Tire? (burnt rubber). Axle/Spindle?

Thanks for any experience, advice, condolences....



My advice . . . get to know your 'rig' better.

The emergency cable locks when extended, so that the brakes are on. Same as the emergency brake in your car. *sometimes* this happens when you detach your trailer and forget to un-do the emergency strap, and give it a yank when you pull the vehicle away. (ya, then you stop & detach that too, only forgetting that it is now locked in the activated position)

Your brake pads where the most heated, probably not the axles, unless you checked them. The bearings may have been a little hot, but they can take it for a while. Maybe (maybe) the pads need to be changed, but that is about it.

Sounds like you have brakes on the front axle only (common). Take a look at your trailer and see where the brakes are and aren't.

Since your boat/trailer is now at the dealer's for a complete 2,000 point inspection, I would expect them to want to replace all kinds of things.

You have my condolences.
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#416042 - 06/23/08 06:29 AM Re: Almost...but Trailer had other plans (Long [censored] [Re: tpenfield]
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Sorry for your disappointing day. Had the exact same thing happen to me a few weeks ago. Biker told me wheel was smoking. Pulled into a shop I had never been at but they said no problem, they fix trailers all the time. Next day guy says I need a new axle and he can't find one, it will be monday. Monday comes and he says he can't find one cause it's got welded on spindles. I decide to go and look at it myself. I only saw a few scratches on the spindle, why do I need a whole new axle? He had some kid working on it I guess. Older mech. comes out and he says same thing as me. They agree, just replece the bearings and they will inspect the rest. Turns out the seals are all rotted in the hubs allowing water in and guess what, he can't find any. So I find some and bring them to him and was on my way a few hours later. Bottom line, keep an eye on em.
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#416045 - 06/23/08 06:45 AM Re: Almost...but Trailer had other plans (Long [censored] [Re: Andyk2]
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Most like you got grease on the brakes and that was the burning smell.
Re-pack the bearings, inspect the brakes, and you are probably good to go.
The emergency line probably enable the brakes.
Good luck.
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#416050 - 06/23/08 06:53 AM Re: Almost...but Trailer had other plans (Long [censored] [Re: WaterMutt]
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Forgot to say, my outter bearing was in pieces. Also I have a button to release the cable in case it did actuate, it's on the bottom side of the slider. They recommend you push it every time you hook up.
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#416052 - 06/23/08 07:06 AM Re: Almost...but Trailer had other plans (Long [censored] [Re: Andyk2]
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Sux to have a bad day like that, but at least it turned out to be a "not-so-bad" day. Could have been a lot worse so it's nice it was discovered before it became real bad.

Just a quick suggestion. Ignoring warning signs like this can lead to a heckuva mess.....

"emergency cable actuator...hmmmm, maybe it was.... the opposite wheel was pretty hot also...,and my truck seemed sluggish...yep quite possibly brakes!"

Might I suggest that at the first sign of "something's not exactly right" that you stop and check things out...
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#416159 - 06/23/08 10:54 AM Re: Almost...but Trailer had other plans (Long [censored] [Re: Andyk2]
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Originally Posted By: Andyk2
Forgot to say, my outter bearing was in pieces.
Oops. Then you DIDN'T catch it early--

Still, you (hopefully) shouldn't need more than new bearings. When I caught the brakes on fire on our travel trailer, the outer bearing's inner race was welded to the axle, had to use an air chisel (carefully) to get it off. The axle wasn't bent, and a little emery cloth cleaned up the axle under the race, the new bearings fit and worked just fine afterwards.
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#416163 - 06/23/08 10:59 AM Re: Almost...but Trailer had other plans. [Re: GoFirstClass]
kenhdog Offline
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Thanks all for the perspectives.

I'm hopeful that the Dealer won't take me for a ride, since we have a common acquaintance/referral. He (The Owner) didn't have that "I've got a sucker here' eagerness. In fact he referred me to a tow company which was my initial request. As with anything, of course I'll keep a sharp eye out. Hopefully he'll be fair, because I'm also considering him as my sterndrive service center. He could build a relationship (read: future $$) or kill a referral.

Yep GFC, definitely in hindsight...My brain excused it away, since I believe the truck needs new plugs anyway....The brakes weren't fully engaged, but just enough resistance that I thought the truck might need a light tune up. (I had changed the fuel filter, PCV, Air Filter, Flushed the Oil, and cleaned the MAF the previous weekend, Only thing I didn't check/replace was the plugs, and my mind latched onto to that as the light sluggishness. Hindsight, but you're right!

Break, Break - Somehow the Title of the post got changed to (Censored)??? Someone doing pranks? I'll make a change here. My original post has the correct title as I typed it....
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#416201 - 06/23/08 12:28 PM Re: Almost...but Trailer had other plans. [Re: kenhdog]
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I have read enough posts during my time on this board, about draging breaks, that one of my checkes before heading down the road is to coast slowly in neutral to see if I'm rolling freely or being stopped by the trailer.

Hope all turns out OK.
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#416264 - 06/23/08 04:12 PM Re: Almost...but Trailer had other plans (Long [censored] [Re: Frantically Relaxing]
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Man, what a hot day to be stuck on the side of the road!

Sorry to hear it. I haven't had any trouble with my Trail Rite at all, but I have done some routine maintenance on it.

BTW, how's the water level on Piru? (I know you didn't make it but was wondering if you checked.)
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#416296 - 06/23/08 05:18 PM Re: Almost...but Trailer had other plans. [Re: deepv]
kenhdog Offline
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Not sure what the water's like up there. I was more concerned about the admission and inspection procedure they've instituted to deter mussel invasion, and whether I could get on the water once I got there....
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#416375 - 06/23/08 10:17 PM Re: Almost...but Trailer had other plans. [Re: kenhdog]
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Kenhdog,

Thanks for sharing all the info – your experience will help others later on (eg: me).

We hate those stressful times when “stranded” eek
The kids asking tons of questions, you and the wife trying to figure things out...

Glad everything turned out OK thumb
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