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#410193 - 06/01/08 01:55 AM I predict...oil prices will crash.
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LOL, I like being the non-conformist around here I guess.

I think in 2 years we will be talking about $130/bbl oil like we talked about dotcoms in the late 90's.

In spite of the coming-of-age of China and India, not much has changed to drive oil prices to their current high except for speculation and manipulation.

Both of those forces can and will change on a whim and a frenzy.

Laugh now at me, but don't give up your F-150 for a Hybrid just yet.


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#410197 - 06/01/08 02:10 AM Re: I predict...oil prices will crash. [Re: trooplewis]
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Originally Posted By: trooplewis
...don't give up your F-150 for a Hybrid just yet.


Consider it done wink
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#410211 - 06/01/08 07:38 AM Re: I predict...oil prices will crash. [Re: trooplewis]
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Bill as I have said it before, I'll say it again, If I ever meet one of these speculators that is agreeing to pay these artifically high prices for a barrel of crude oil, I will punch him/her right in the face. Twice if they laught at me after the first punch!

I sure hope you are right.
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#410212 - 06/01/08 07:40 AM Re: I predict...oil prices will crash. [Re: BillyB]
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And actually, if the U.S. just even bluffed for a while that we were going to allow more drilling in our own country, the price would come down before the first driller touched a site.
So come on Sierra Club and others, let's just "pretend" for a while that ANWR will be drilled. it might get your Prius' gas under $3.00/gal!
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#410233 - 06/01/08 09:35 AM Re: I predict...oil prices will crash. [Re: BillyB]
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I never try to foresee the future as I always get burnt. Just go with the flow.
Are you going short crude then troop?

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#410263 - 06/01/08 12:46 PM Re: I predict...oil prices will crash. [Re: MarkHB]
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The only thing I'm going short on is my paycheck. If I had $$ to invest in commodities, I wouldn't be considering selling Aloha2.

But I think you will see $55-60/bbl oil within 18 months.

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#410268 - 06/01/08 01:10 PM Re: I predict...oil prices will crash. [Re: trooplewis]
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As I have said in previous posts, and I alluded to in the thread below, I agree price manipulation is the key....

Oil Price Manipulation thread
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#410700 - 06/03/08 12:57 AM Re: I predict...oil prices will crash. [Re: MadDog]
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I've been short oil since $120. I think troop has this exactly right. Demand destruction is rampant right now.
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#410783 - 06/03/08 11:59 AM Re: I predict...oil prices will crash. [Re: Finger Lakes Boater]
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Just posted this on another thread.

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Just caught this on CNBC and thought it may be of interest to some. I thought the 2nd half of the video clip was especially interesting where he mentions that the fundamentals always look good in bubbles. He also mentions economic cycles and China.

Doug Mackay, Broadleaf Partners on CNBC re: commodities

related video clip

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#410792 - 06/03/08 12:09 PM Re: I predict...oil prices will crash. [Re: athiker]
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I've heard the shortage of sweet crude (what is traded at the NYMEX and the type typically cited in the news), plenty of sour crude mentioned before. (2nd clip)

Who knows how to invest in a way that might take advantage of this? What refiners are best postioned to handle sour crude or switch to handling it? I would think they would have the best margins?...unless the additional refining cost of processing the sour more that eats up the extra?
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#410977 - 06/03/08 07:16 PM Re: I predict...oil prices will crash. [Re: athiker]
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Sure hope I'm right about this, because I just paid $435/gal for regular today.

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#410980 - 06/03/08 07:22 PM Re: I predict...oil prices will crash. [Re: trooplewis]
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Well, you few would agree with my dad.

Unfortunately, i'm not as optimistic. I think $5+ a gallon will be here in less than 24 months.
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#410981 - 06/03/08 07:28 PM Re: I predict...oil prices will crash. [Re: D-Rod]
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Come on out to California. It's here now in some locations.
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#410987 - 06/03/08 07:36 PM Re: I predict...oil prices will crash. [Re: deepv]
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Then $6 for you Cali crazies.

Kidding about the crazy part....
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#410990 - 06/03/08 07:41 PM Re: I predict...oil prices will crash. [Re: D-Rod]
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Found diesel for only $5.39/gallon the other day. Glad Helga gets close to 30 mpg!

But I'll stand by my support of Troop's hypothesis. A very significant percentage of the runup from $70/barrel has been fueled by 'hot money' speculation. I think we are at (or past) market peaks for a number of volatile commodities. Play the chart you've got---but the fundamentals won't be denied indefinitely.
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