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#405105 - 05/13/08 08:40 PM Two foot-itis  
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Ok guys,

three years ago you all helped me with advice on getting my first boat. Now I'm getting bolder. Oh, I got divorced too...

I live in SW Florida, mostly boat in Charlotte Harbor and the surrounding area, venturing a little into the Gulf.

I am thinging about moving into something like a 24ish foot cruiser. Something I can spend weekends on with my 12 year old son, and maybe a friend or 2.

Something that is fishing friendly but also comfortable for sleeping, ect...

My current boat is paid for and I'm guessing it would sell for 25 or 30 K ??? So I think I can put another 10 K into this idea.

Please keep in mind that I am a nurse, I fix people not things and I am a mechanical idiot.


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#405121 - 05/13/08 09:14 PM Re: Two foot-itis [Re: RNman]  
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RNman, First of all, congratulations on surviving your divorce AND STILL HAVING YOUR BOAT. Way to go. YOU DA MAN!!! (You guys who have never been there will not fully appreciate that congratulatory comment.) Divorce is actually French for a woman's ability to reach up through a man's testicles and extract his entire net worth.

Now, with all that fun stuff out of the way, let me lend my humble opinions about the questions you posed about a new boat.

I'm not sure that you will find a 24' cuddy/cruiser large enough to sleep aboard. Usually in that size range you don't have any galley facilities, a porta potti instead of a head, and very little head room in the cabin. There's also not going to be much storage room for extra clothing, towels, etc.

If you were to move your size range up to a 26' boat you'll find it is more suitable to the types of boating you mentioned above. You'll get a boat that has a wider beam and more capable of handling Gulf weather. It also will likely have a head, galley, storage cabinets and hanging lockers. Plus a place to sit down and eat and a place to wash the dishes.

There will also be room for your son and his friends to spread out when they turn teenages and their legs get to be about 6' long.

Instead of buying a new boat, why not consider picking up someone's 5 year old used boat? It will cost less than a new 24'er and if you want to move up from there it will already have taken the big depreciation losses that all newer "toys" have.


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#405124 - 05/13/08 09:20 PM Re: Two foot-itis [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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I can go 26-28 feet if thats what I'll need.


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#405126 - 05/13/08 09:22 PM Re: Two foot-itis [Re: RNman]  
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No matter what people (women) tell you...size matters. Get the biggest boat you can afford and tow. You will be much happier while spending nights aboard.


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#405130 - 05/13/08 09:34 PM Re: Two foot-itis [Re: Wet Doggg]  
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Look hard at a Regal 2665 with A/C and maybe a genset. Biggest bed that I can think of. A very good running boat when she has a 454 or 496 engine. Good double wide helm seat, too.

#405132 - 05/13/08 09:35 PM Re: Two foot-itis [Re: RNman]  
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Originally Posted By: RNman
I can go 26-28 feet if thats what I'll need.


I can tell you all the ways that a crownline 275ccr cuddy would fit the bill perfectly..... whistle

#405147 - 05/13/08 10:32 PM Re: Two foot-itis [Re: ImaPoser]  
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How about a 260 Sundancer or 270 Sundancer. You can get it with a single or twin engine, it's easily trailerable, and you can get a genset, a/c, and all the comforts of home.





Dimensions
LOA: 27' LWL: 27'8" Beam: 9'2"
Displacement: 7500 Draft: 41"

Engines
Engine(s): T- Mercruiser Engine(s) HP: 190 ea. Engine Model: 4.3 Lx
Hours: 450 Cruising Speed: 28 mph Max Speed: 40 mph


Tankage
Fuel: 100 Gals Water: 28 Gals Holding: 28 Gals

Hull & Deck
Windlass (Lofrans low-profile), Bimini top with full enclosure, cockpit cover, cockpit carpet, walk-thru transom & transom gate, extended F/G swim platform, swim ladder, aft bench seat, cockpit bolsters, double helm seat w/ flip up bolster, cockpit lighting, walk-thru windshield, self-bailing cockpit, anchor locker, anchor roller, deck hatches, windshield wiper (stbd).

Cabin & Interior
12 V. Clarion AM/FM stereo, reading lights, 40 oz. carpet, lockable cabin door, convertible dinette w/ table & filler cushions; Galley w/: f/g countertop, sink, cutting board, microwave, single burner stove, trash receptacle; Head w/: lighting, 110 V. outlet, full f/g enclosed stand-up head w/ shower & curtain, sink, hot & cold water, vanity & mirror; Fwd. convertible v-berth, full mid-cabin.

Navigation
Lowrance 3500 digital depth finder, compass, Raytheon 210 VHF radio w/antenna, GPS w/ antenna, full engine instruments, remote control spotlight, Nav./anchor lights, power steering, tilt helm, dash chart-holder, horn, hour meter.

Systems
Kohler 5.0 Kw generator w/ remote start & fresh-water cooling, reverse cycle air-conditioning/heating, vacuflush head, fresh-water washdown w/ cockpit shower & dockside water inlet, auto bilge pumps, bilge blowers, galvanic isolator, GFI outlets, 12 V. pressure water system, shower sump pump, 110 V shore power w/ cord, battery charger/isolator, AC dist. panel; (2) 12 V batteries, dual battery switch, power steering, tilt helm, 110 V. hot water heater w/ engine heat exchanger, bilge lights.

Safety & Mooring
Carbon monoxide detectors- cabin, automatic halon system, high-water bilge alarms, various mooring lines, fender, anchor & anchor line.


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#405150 - 05/13/08 10:37 PM Re: Two foot-itis [Re: RNman]  
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RN, my dad's best friend has cancer (and his wife just died or cancer) so he is selling his Donzi 27' cruiser. I forget the particulars, but if you had any interest, I'd find them out for you. You might find it listed on craigslist in Tampa.
Mechanically the boat is sound. My dad had recently done some maintanence work that should not need to be redone any time for several years.


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#405152 - 05/13/08 10:40 PM Re: Two foot-itis [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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Sleep on that big bed of a 2665 Regal once and you'll fall in love. Get the big block and A/C and maybe the generator. Trailer-able beam.

#405183 - 05/14/08 02:27 AM Re: Two foot-itis [Re: seabuddy]  
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Ditto on everyones comment.

I did a quick search and I found this...
http://www.boats.com/listing/boat_details.jsp?entityid=107651671

This MIGHT fit the bill. The price is right and you're familiar with Maxums. I don't think it has an aft cabin.

I second the Regal 2665, great boat. Also look at the Four Winns 268 Vista. Both these boat have aft cabins and I would highly recommend them.

If you're like me with fixing mechanical and electrical things, I would advise getting a single engine. Two engines are more costly to maintain since you're going to have other people work on it.

Good luck



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#405189 - 05/14/08 05:35 AM Re: Two foot-itis [Re: F.J. & Catherine Abaya]  
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If you want to stick with a 24ft cruiser, might I suggest a 2000 or later Four Winns Vista 248. It has an incredible amount of room in it - and seems much larger than a 24ft-er.

Four Winns did a good job in the interior design, so much so that it has almost as much room in it as their Vista 268. Also, it has an adult useable rear berth - pretty much unheard of for a 24ft'er, so you and your son could have separate berths.

You'll definately be able to find one for under $30K - although it might be a 2001 or 2002.

Otherwise, I'd opt for at least a 26ft'er if you plan on spending any amount of time on board.

One caution though - even in a 26ft'er, one of the biggest differences between the various boat brands is the useability of the rear berth. Some, such as the Four Winns models have an adult accessble rear berth - as well as a couple other brands. Other brands it seems the rear berth is an afterthought, and may only be accessable by kids, pets, or only be useful as storage.

As it sounds like you will be wanting to use the rear berth - that is going to be important to you.

I recommend the Four Winns because my last boat was a Vista 268, and I am a big guy - over 6ft tall - and was able to get in and out of, and sleep comfortably in the rear berth.

Prior to that, we had a 22ft Four Winns cuddy, and we attempted to spend a week on it once - just my wife and I. The result.... We traded it in for the Vista 268 before weeks-end.

I wouldn't consider a cuddy for anything other than an occasional overnighter, whereas a 26ft cruiser is large enough for up to maybe a week at a time.

But of course, it depends on how many are aboard.


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2004 Mercury 270 Dinghy.
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1995 Carver 325
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1999 Four Winns 225
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#405205 - 05/14/08 08:07 AM Re: Two foot-itis [Re: Al]  
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A very nice boat to take a look at, IMO, too.

#405236 - 05/14/08 09:27 AM Re: Two foot-itis [Re: seabuddy]  
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Or wait for the new 270 Sundancer. Wider beam than current 260 DA it replaces for 2009 model year. If you want a new boat that is, and be the first on your block to own one.


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#405411 - 05/14/08 07:04 PM Re: Two foot-itis [Re: Capn Morgan]  
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RNman, First of all, congratulations on surviving your divorce AND STILL HAVING YOUR BOAT. Way to go. YOU DA MAN!!! (You guys who have never been there will not fully appreciate that congratulatory comment.) Divorce is actually French for a woman's ability to reach up through a man's testicles and extract his entire net worth.


You know what they say, Women have half the money and ALL the p*@#y. And they are working on the other half of the money. funny

GFC - Good advice in your response. I saw the 260DA pic. Yeah, that's my dream (well OK, I dream of the 52' but come on, that ain't never gonna fit in my driveway lol).

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#405417 - 05/14/08 07:23 PM Re: Two foot-itis [Re: Semper Fi 75]  
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You know why it costs so much to get divorced?
BECAUSE IT'S WORTH IT!


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#405426 - 05/14/08 07:41 PM Re: Two foot-itis [Re: deepv]  
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Can we all join together in a rousing......"AMEN BROTHERS!!!" to what deepv said!


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#405478 - 05/14/08 10:27 PM Re: Two foot-itis [Re: GoFirstClass]  
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Congrats on upgrading RNman thumb
The smart guys have already listed some great boats.

I have heard nothing but great things about the 248 Vista for a trailerable cruiser... 268 Vista if you want to go a bit bigger.

Still sounding like a broken record, if you are looking at the 26ft range.... the 2665 Regal gets plenty of high marks.


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#405979 - 05/16/08 02:26 PM Re: Two foot-itis [Re: Lambert Laker]  
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Thanks for all the suggestions !!!!

seems like I'll be taking a good long look at a Regal 2665.


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#405995 - 05/16/08 03:20 PM Re: Two foot-itis [Re: RNman]  
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Depends if you want a BIG bed for the skipper. If you can, get one with a 454 or a 496, that is the engine for the boat. She runs great that way.


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