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#403681 - 05/08/08 11:53 AM Re: New to me boat and a long tow [Re: Keith]
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Before going 500 miles with something you've never towed before, have all the bearings cleaned and packed by hand. I have seen / heard of more wheel bearing failures than probably any other potentially catastrophic vehicle failure of any kind. I've also found that brakes binding up are the main reason for the failures, but not always. Coming home from vacation some years ago I had binding brakes on our camp trailer get so hot they literally welded the bearing races to the axle spindle. The brakes caught fire just as we stopped too (oh, that was a good day)... Just a month or so ago my inlaws lost an axle bearing towing home their 31' Celebrity, and I think hot brakes caused it... As for a "not always the brakes", here's our friend in our old Sea Ray on the way to Lake Tahoe, they didn't quite make it, If I remember, I believe the outer bearing failed and just broke apart. A new bearing got them back on the road...



Whenever I tow anything for more than 'a few miles', I stop frequently just to check how hot the hubs are. But fair warning, don't just grab the hub, "dab" each hub with your finger first. I figured that out the hard way once, OUCH...
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#403683 - 05/08/08 11:59 AM Re: New to me boat and a long tow [Re: Scott L]
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#403759 - 05/08/08 03:25 PM Re: New to me boat and a long tow [Re: deepv]
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Ask the seller the height of the trailer hitch when flat. You want to have the trailer level when you hook up. Nothing like having the wrong height for 500 miles. Also make sure you have the correct ball size for the trailer's application.

I agree with all the above, especially checking the lugs at mile zero and mile 50. Thereafter, check at your next gas stop.

Take it easy!
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#403771 - 05/08/08 04:21 PM Re: New to me boat and a long tow [Re: Boomer 880]
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I didn't even think of the trailer height. You guys are awesome...which is why I love this board. I've got two different drop hitches with 2" balls on them, think I might bring both just in case.
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#403786 - 05/08/08 05:41 PM Re: New to me boat and a long tow [Re: firecadet613]
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The ball on the new trailer could be 2 5/16"... check this!

Murphy's law... your two drop hitches will not work and you will need a straight hitch smile
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#403811 - 05/08/08 07:27 PM Re: New to me boat and a long tow [Re: Boomer 880]
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Wouldn't that just suck? I've already confirmed it's a 2" ball on the trailer....just not sure on the height. I will probably try and find that out in a day or two...
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#403825 - 05/08/08 09:09 PM Re: New to me boat and a long tow [Re: firecadet613]
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I wouldn't worry too much about the heighth. A lot of that has to do with the amount your truck sags under load and the new boat will cause it to sag more.

Your ball will get you to a store to get a new ball mount. Just take the tools to mount the ball on the mount.
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#403836 - 05/08/08 10:12 PM Re: New to me boat and a long tow [Re: Silverbullet]
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Quote:
Before going 500 miles with something you've never towed before, have all the bearings cleaned and packed by hand.


I would guess that a 2004 trailer has Buddy Bearings or something similar, and if so I would not do the above.

Ask the PO to estimate how many miles the boat has been trailered already. If it is less than 5000, I would
1) Check lug nut torque
2) make sure inflation was correct (maxed) in all FIVE tires
3) Make sure that I had the correct size lug wrench and that it could actually get to the lugs
4) Make sure I had an appropriate jack

Tow it 500 miles home.

Buddy Bearings are to bearings what synthetic oil is to engines: way better than the old days.

BE CAREFUL not to over-fill Buddy Bearings as the excess grease blows through the rear seal and ends up on the inside of your wheel, it makes a mess. As long as there is about 1/4" of the color ring showing, the Buddy Bearings don't need grease.


Once you get the trailer home, you might want to check and see of you can actually get all the lugs off. If if was all fresh-water use, shouldn't be a problem. I have a few on mine that are going to need an impact wrench to take them off.

Checking the heat at the hubs is a good idea, I do it 1/2 way through long trips when the temp is over 100 degrees. Make a note that the hubs on the 2 wheels that have the disc brakes will run hotter than the two without brakes, so don't panic when you notice the difference.

A laser-thermometer gun is a nice idea for this, at about $29 from Harbor Freight.


Edited by trooplewis (05/08/08 10:16 PM)

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#403843 - 05/09/08 12:12 AM Re: New to me boat and a long tow [Re: trooplewis]
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Just my opinion, but pumping grease into bearings thru bearing buddy's or any other quickie method is just a quick fix, and NOT a good way to PACK the bearings. As evidence, I offer the picture of my old Sea Ray above. It had bearing buddy's and owners who kept them greased. But neither of us bothered to hand-pack the bearings. And that was an axle without brakes...
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#403902 - 05/09/08 08:59 AM Re: New to me boat and a long tow [Re: Frantically Relaxing]
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FR, what year was that trailer and how old were the bearings?

I think a 2004 should be ok; I removed the hub on one of mine and they looked like brand new after about 4000 miles of towing and 5 years old. A properly-working Buddy Bearing should be pressuring-in grease and keeping air pockets out.
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#404074 - 05/09/08 06:45 PM Re: New to me boat and a long tow [Re: trooplewis]
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The trailer has under 300 miles on it total. It has just been three years that he has owned it on 5-5-08. He is the original owner, and has had the brakes looked at every year. It does have bearing buddies on it, and a matching spare. I will probably check the tire pressures and lug nuts, and then feel the hubs at each stop. I might try and snag an infrared heat gun for the trip to make it easier.
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#404100 - 05/09/08 09:32 PM Re: New to me boat and a long tow [Re: firecadet613]
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Probably gonna make some scary noises when you first move the trailer. If it only has 300 miles and has not been driven lately, the disc-y brake-ys are gonna sound a little strange until the surface rust wears off in a mile or two.

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#404166 - 05/10/08 01:18 PM Re: New to me boat and a long tow [Re: trooplewis]
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He just brought it home from storage at his in laws, so that should be worn off. Thanks for the heads up though, I would have been freaking out until I figured that out.
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#404171 - 05/10/08 03:05 PM Re: New to me boat and a long tow [Re: firecadet613]
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You will be fine! Take your time, listen closely and enjoy the ride. Send some pictures when you get her home smile
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