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#396980 - 04/14/08 09:06 AM Tell me about expeditions..  
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A while back I had asked about Explorers (we want to trade our minivan and F-150 for a single vehicle that can haul the people of the van+4200lb boat).

Took the wife out to the local CarMax yesterday to look at the options.

First vehicle we looked at was a 2000 Expedition. Then a 2004 Explorer. Then a 2003 Expedition. All with the 4.6 V8. All at great prices, but the Expys are much cheaper with more options with similar miles. Wife quickly found some things she didn't like about the Explorer.

We are essentially down to two vehicles. Both with comparable miles/options. The 03 is $2k more.

Option 1:

2001 Expedition, Leather, 4.6, 3.31 ltd slip, live axle, 4900lb curb weight

2003 Expedition, Cloth, 4.6, 3.73 ltd slip, IRS axle, 5500lb curb weight


Anyone have/had either of these combinations and want to comment about mpg and towing performance? I'm not fond of the 3.31 gears on the 01, but that was the only option in 2000 and 2001 with 2wd. The weight of the 03 is a big turn off. The style of each scores equal points with us. MPG and towing ability is more of a factor than the age difference. Both are within a cash budget (which is the overall limiting factor).

The real mpg of the van is 17-18 average so I don't think we'll be giving up too much there, or will we?

(edit, changed title a bit)


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#396981 - 04/14/08 09:14 AM Re: Tell me about Gen 1 expeditions.. [Re: JasonB]  
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You're going to give up some economy. Realistically, I wouldn't expect more than 16, maybe 17 on the highway. Expect 13/14 for city driving.

Definitely go with the 2003 model. It's better built all around and the economy may not be noticeable.


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#396990 - 04/14/08 09:32 AM Re: Tell me about Gen 1 expeditions.. [Re: D-Rod]  
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I have an 04, is that the same as the 03? Ours is 4x4 though too.
Anyway, we do have the 5.4, but I doubt you will see much difference between the 4.6 and the 5.4 in mpg. You can see 12.5-13 in the city if driven gingerly, 11 is very obtainable with an aggressive foot.
Highway, again how you drive it. Flat and level at 65, I've seen 20 with cruise set. Try to make some time and you'll pay for it.

I would say though that if you are looking at 4.6 equipped, I would go with that 3.73 rear. Also, check the seals on the IRS at the differential housing where the axles attach. They were notorious leakers until new seals were developed.


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#396992 - 04/14/08 09:40 AM Re: Tell me about Gen 1 expeditions.. [Re: WaterMutt]  
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The '03 is a definite option. The wife loved the interior. 04 and 03 are essentially the same.

DRod, the van only gets 15-16 city and 18-20 highway.

3.73 was the only axle offered in '03 so that's covered. I need to make sure the '03 has LS. I generally don't need 4wd. I would like it, but don't want it enough to justify the price/mpg.

The 4.6 is plentiful around here and I love the one in my truck. It could use some more umph... but it gets the job done. With careful observance of the speed limit, I can pull 21mpg@70 empty and 14mpg@68 owing 4200lbs with a family of 4. Too bad the expy weighs 800lbs more than my truck....

How bout them Hawks? (I live in TN and admittedly was pulling for Memphis...Sorry)


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#397015 - 04/14/08 11:02 AM Re: Tell me about Gen 1 expeditions.. [Re: JasonB]  
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I would have said the 4.6 is way under powered but you know better than me what your needs are. Granted my boat and set up is around 7500lbs but towing through tennessee is really hard on my truck. its one reason why i don't go to Norris lake much. That hill in Jellico is a major PITA! Otherwise, I love my expy and its been good. Tow with it almost every weekend and drive it every day. 88k miles and only have changed rotors and pads and tires so far.


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#397023 - 04/14/08 11:18 AM Re: Tell me about Gen 1 expeditions.. [Re: Cincy Aquaholic]  
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Thanks Cincy. I live near Nashville and fortunately my towing is pretty flat. The trip to our usual lake is 45 miles each way with 35+ of that being interstate. We only make 10-12 trips/yr so with only ~1200 miles of towing/yr max, I'm partial to the smaller motor.

My qualm of the '03 has is it has 82k on it. the '01 has 74k. I really am hesitant on the '01 due to the 3.31 gears. While my 4.6 150 does well, the expy is heavier, now factor in the 7% taller gear....


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#397027 - 04/14/08 11:25 AM Re: Tell me about Gen 1 expeditions.. [Re: JasonB]  
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I had a 2002 Explorer, nice vehical just kind of small.

A 2004 Expedition, very nice ride and towed my 5,000 lb boat well.

I now have a 2007 Expedition with the works, almost.

Yes you will love the room and flexability of the Xped. On the rode they are great to drive, and even around the town they are not as log as the Burb.

Good luck!


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#397032 - 04/14/08 11:43 AM Re: Tell me about Gen 1 expeditions.. [Re: Denver Boater]  
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Denver, which engine did you have in your 02 and 04? You boat isn't that much heavier than mine.


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#397037 - 04/14/08 12:09 PM Re: Tell me about Gen 1 expeditions.. [Re: JasonB]  
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Watermutt +1

I've got the 5.4 V8 and am pulling approx. 3600 lbs of boat (not sure what the tandem trailer weighs). It pulls pretty well but you can sure tell that your pulling something.

Like WM said, don't expect much for gas mileage. I doubt I've ever seen 20 mpg, but I've probably got in the 18-19 range.

I've had no problems with mine. Besides the fact that my wife can't drive big SUV's and took off the passenger side mirror in a parking garage (to the tune of $350). cry


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#397044 - 04/14/08 12:34 PM Re: Tell me about Gen 1 expeditions.. [Re: Fshr5]  
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I have a '97 with 162K miles on it and it's going strong. Pulls my 6500lbs trailer and 4000lbs boat with ease.


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#397057 - 04/14/08 01:18 PM Re: Tell me about Gen 1 expeditions.. [Re: Jeffski]  
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My 02 Explore had the 4.6 V-8, plenty of power because it is so much lighter than the Exped.

My 04 & 07's both had & have the 5.4, you need this engine at the mile high altitude for sure!

We pull over the Rocky Mts, does fine, but we are not the first one up the hill.....


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#397059 - 04/14/08 01:25 PM Re: Tell me about Gen 1 expeditions.. [Re: Jeffski]  
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I have a 2001 Expy with the 4.6 === the boat is the 240 Four Winns and is probably at the top of the tow rating --- I really doubt there is much real world difference in mileage between the 4.5 and the 5.4 --- I can tell you if I were to buy again I would get the 5.4 --- the 4.6 is not great on power, even in flat Florida --- the expy gets about 12-13MPG around town -- maybe 15-16 on the highway, but not at 80mph and with the AC on all the time which is the situation in Florida. Towing my boat at 65-70mph I get about 9MPG --- towing a small trailer we use in my son's business we get about 10.5 === my suggestion -- go for a 5.4 --- but then again I don't have one, just want one.
Otherwise the expy has been very good, no real issues -- mine has a little over 100,000 miles now -- bought it with 70,000


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#397074 - 04/14/08 02:20 PM Re: Tell me about Gen 1 expeditions.. [Re: DaleG]  
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Dale, are you a 2wd or 4wd?


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#397084 - 04/14/08 02:43 PM Re: Tell me about Gen 1 expeditions.. [Re: JasonB]  
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As a little side note, I found our Expy to have so-so brakes. At 30k miles, I switched pads to the EBC Black (thier lower end, OEM replacement pads) and it made a world of difference. I can now choose when the truck should stop, just not poke and pray.
I may jump to the Green pads next time.


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#397159 - 04/14/08 08:25 PM Re: Tell me about Gen 1 expeditions.. [Re: WaterMutt]  
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My '05 Expy has the 5.4 3.73 and 4x4 and I get 18 mpg @ 70 empty. At 80 I get 16 and if the air is on I lose about 1 mpg.




It tows great and has adequate power but by the time you pack it full of people and gear and put a good sized boat behind it I am glad it has the 5.4

Mine has a 9600# tow rating but you have to subtract the weight of the people and gear you have inside from that so 5-6000# boat and trailer should be OK.

#397208 - 04/14/08 11:58 PM Re: Tell me about Gen 1 expeditions.. [Re: prober]  
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the 5.4L, 3-valve per cylinder engine is the one to have in an Expedition, actually gets as good or better gas mileage than the 4.6 which is way underpowered.

Some 5.4's had problems with leaking valve covers, not a real serious issue, but annoying as they leak on the exhaust manifold and the smell of burning oil is rather yucky. You should be able to visually check for that if you look closely, although Carmax probably steam cleaned the heck out of the motor.

I think the 3-valve was only available in 2005 and newer Expys though...

#397223 - 04/15/08 06:59 AM Re: Tell me about Gen 1 expeditions.. [Re: trooplewis]  
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Originally Posted By: trooplewis
the 5.4L, 3-valve per cylinder engine is the one to have in an Expedition, actually gets as good or better gas mileage than the 4.6 which is way underpowered.

Some 5.4's had problems with leaking valve covers, not a real serious issue, but annoying as they leak on the exhaust manifold and the smell of burning oil is rather yucky. You should be able to visually check for that if you look closely, although Carmax probably steam cleaned the heck out of the motor.

I think the 3-valve was only available in 2005 and newer Expys though...


yep


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The 3-valve 5.4's definitely have an advantage, especially in the upper end. But the standard 5.4 is quite a torquey engine. I've never been in a 4.6 powered Expy, but from my understanding thier tow rating is maxed at 5000.


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#397229 - 04/15/08 07:33 AM Re: Tell me about Gen 1 expeditions.. [Re: WaterMutt]  
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The 4.6 is a decent engine. I've ridden in a 2005 E150 Van loaded up with 8 people many times (school district). From the passenger side, it seems to have more than enough power for "adequate".

The 3-valve 5.4 is not in the same ball-park as the 2-valver. The 3-valve pulls much, much, much more stronger from all RPM ranges. (I've driven loaded 150's, with both engines)


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I don't have an Exped but I do have a 2003 F150 which is pretty similar. The truck has the 5.4L engine. I agree that the OEM brakes are not the best for stopping. I will upgrade the pads when I need new brakes, I have 29k miles on the truck and brakes.

A coworker of mine had a 2000 F150 with the 5.4L and he also had a 2003 Exped with the 4.6L. He noticed a big difference in performance and said the Exped just didn't have the power.


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