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#36101 - 06/25/04 08:48 AM Brand Comparisons....Boats vs. Automobiles  
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I would like to do some informal market research utilizing our broad cross section of board members.

We all have an opinion as to how each of the automotive manufacturers brands rank when compared vs. each other. We also have our own opinions as to the forced ranking of boat manufacturers, based upon research, brand familiarity, personal use, etc.

What I would be interested in is how you would equate the following boat manufacturers with a similar automotive manufacturer.

I have read several threads where this is utilized when comparing boats vs. vehicles, i.e. FourWinns is the ******* of automotive brands.

It doesn't matter if you have experience with the particular brand or not, I would like to see how and what two brands are most alike. Whether it is based purely on what you have read, seen, or heard - or actual first hand experience, it is your final perception of the brand that will eventually lead you to buy or talk in a favorable manner about a particular brand. Items to consider are quality, style, price, value, depth and breadth of the product lineup, durability, "cool factor", brand personalitly, etc. (Note -I am also leaving Cobalt off this list, on purpose, to keep the peanut gallery comments to a minimum.)

In order to limit the field, I will list the brands to compare. Also, try to think in terms of bowriders and/or express cruisers if you need to narrow your comparison. You can use a manufacturer more than once in your listing.

We will also limit it to mid range models on both ends, i.e. no "luxury" mfgs.

I apologize if I leave off your favorite brand. I will try to include those brands most often discussed on this board (except Centurion - we can do water sport boats later!!)

Boat Manufacturers

  • Bryant, Bayliner, Chaparral,Crownline, FourWinns, Glastron, Larson, Monterey, Regal, Rinker, Sea Ray, Sting Ray,



Automotive Manufacturers

  • Chevrolet, Dodge, Ford, Chrysler, Honda, Nissan, Toyota, Hyundai, Saturn, Chrysler



For consistency, Please list boat brand first, immediately followed by what automotive brand is most similar. Here is an example:

Sea Ray.....Toyota
Chaparral....Nissan

Feel free, as I know you will, to explain your rationale.

This will be a very interesting thread.


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#36102 - 06/25/04 09:03 AM Re: Brand Comparisons....Boats vs. Automobiles  
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OK, I'll give it a whirl. Sorry I didn't use a couple of your auto brands, I didn't think they fit. \:o

Bryant - Honda; built extremely well, lasts forever if taken care of, not very expensive when compared to other brands (ie, Cobalt), so value is very evident

Bayliner - Volkswagen; some people report great things, others complain about poor quality, can be really expensive (Phaeton) or can be cheap (old Beetle) for everybody

Chaparral - Buick; not as quick as some other boats, but can be quick if ordered correctly, luxury is evident in the seating

Glastron - Nissan; built extremely well (guess thats why I'm driving one 30 years later), can either be a cheapie (Sentra) or can be luxurious and quick (350Z)

Larson - Oldsmobile; awesome looks for a sportboat, interiors finished nicely, and just a little sportier

Monterey - Chrysler; never seems to sell as well as other brands, but nonetheless, are well built for the price

Regal - Jaguar; sporty interiors, quick, and price (like always) depends on what you want (X-Type, S-Type, etc)

Rinker - Pontiac; made to look sporty (some are, some aren't), and the more expensive you go, the better components you are going to get

SeaRay - Toyota; some are nice looking and affordable, others are what were they thinking and why am I paying such a premium for the name?

Stingray - BMW; sporty, and like the 3-series, almost always affordable to the average Joe, timeless designs


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#36103 - 06/25/04 09:05 AM Re: Brand Comparisons....Boats vs. Automobiles  
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I see that you left Mercedes and Lexus off the list. You got something against high-end boats?? \:D \:D


I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of moneyed corporations which dare to challenge our government in a trial of strength, defy the laws of our country. Thomas Jefferson "Corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will seek to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in the hands of a few, and the Republic is destroyed." Abraham Lincoln
#36104 - 06/25/04 09:30 AM Re: Brand Comparisons....Boats vs. Automobiles  
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Cobalt = Lexus
Chris Craft = Rolls Royce


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#36105 - 06/25/04 09:37 AM Re: Brand Comparisons....Boats vs. Automobiles  
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Very nice bombcat! Very well thought out.

I would add
Cobalt = Lexus


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#36106 - 06/25/04 09:40 AM Re: Brand Comparisons....Boats vs. Automobiles  
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Waterwing beat me to it.

I would say

Christ Craft = Mercedes


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#36107 - 06/25/04 09:43 AM Re: Brand Comparisons....Boats vs. Automobiles  
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I think you could equally call Bayliner Chevrolet or Hyundai for the same reasons given to call them VW...


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#36108 - 06/25/04 09:53 AM Re: Brand Comparisons....Boats vs. Automobiles  
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Thanks boatsrule!

Kev - I thought about Chevrolet, but I thought it was almost below the level of dignity, because then it would be compared to a Cavalier. Bayliner, IMHO, is not as cheaply built as a Cavalier.


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#36109 - 06/25/04 09:56 AM Re: Brand Comparisons....Boats vs. Automobiles  
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Chris Craft as Mercedes or Rolls? Take a closer look at the fit and finish. Inside compartments are not at all well turned out. I appreciate the resusitation of the brand, but they're a ways away from top of the heap IMO. Stylish though...


I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of moneyed corporations which dare to challenge our government in a trial of strength, defy the laws of our country. Thomas Jefferson "Corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will seek to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in the hands of a few, and the Republic is destroyed." Abraham Lincoln
#36110 - 06/25/04 09:59 AM Re: Brand Comparisons....Boats vs. Automobiles  
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Chris-Craft has built nice boats, but they aren't that high on the hierarchy (do they even have one?). I'd say Chris-Craft (if it were on the list) would be maybe a Cadillac. They look very sporty, have a tendency to get up and go, but like most anything, they do have their quirks.


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#36111 - 06/25/04 09:59 AM Re: Brand Comparisons....Boats vs. Automobiles  
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(Note -I am also leaving Cobalt off this list, on purpose, to keep the peanut gallery comments to a minimum.)


Bryant ...... Toyota

Chaparral ... Honda
Sea Ray ..... Honda

Four Winns .. Nissan
Regal ....... Nissan

Crownline ... Saturn
Monterey .... Saturn
Stingray .... Saturn

Larson ...... Chrysler
Rinker ...... Chrysler

Bayliner .... Chevrolet

Glastron .... Dodge
Reinell ..... Dodge

As you can see, I don't hold Chrysler in highest esteem among car brands \:D

(Amended to include Crownline, Four Winns, and Reinell)

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#36112 - 06/25/04 10:00 AM Re: Brand Comparisons....Boats vs. Automobiles  
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I was basing the Chris Craft comparison with the MSRP. $100k for a 23-footer is about the same out-of-line pricing for the Roll Royce.


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#36113 - 06/25/04 10:02 AM Re: Brand Comparisons....Boats vs. Automobiles  
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Good point, WW!


I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of moneyed corporations which dare to challenge our government in a trial of strength, defy the laws of our country. Thomas Jefferson "Corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will seek to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in the hands of a few, and the Republic is destroyed." Abraham Lincoln
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WW - It seems Chris-Craft has only gotten that way within, lets say the last four years. My cousin bought a 2000 210BR, complete with the 280hp Volvo. I think the only thing it didn't have was the DP. I remember him telling me he paid something to the extent of $29k. I drove it a couple of times, and it got up and went, I seem to recall hitting 55+ a couple of times.


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#36115 - 06/25/04 10:17 AM Re: Brand Comparisons....Boats vs. Automobiles  
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OK - I am limiting this to the two brands I have owned.
Chaparral - I am torn between Ford and Toyota - as above not as quick but good quality and cushy ride.

SeaRay - I am going to cheat and say Cadillac - and not in a good way - flashy name and rep but when you look close the fit and finish do not justify the premium price.


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#36116 - 06/25/04 10:21 AM Re: Brand Comparisons....Boats vs. Automobiles  
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Boy, we get insult both the car brands and the boat brands all in one thread. :p


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#36117 - 06/25/04 10:29 AM Re: Brand Comparisons....Boats vs. Automobiles  
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Wow, I hate to say this, but for the most part i agree with KCook's assessment. I will though throw in these few not on the list.
Correct Craft and Mastercraft = Porsche (definite purpose and does it well)
Cobalt I would rank as a BMW. Great handling, solid, good performance, and terrific styling.
This is kind of a tough thread seeing you are comparing two subjective brand rankings.


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#36118 - 06/25/04 10:30 AM Re: Brand Comparisons....Boats vs. Automobiles  
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Pippen's I don't know... I had a mid-80s Sea Ray sport cruiser that was EXTREMELY well built and still had great fit/finish... I think F14 hit it spot on. You do pay for the name as well as the quality, but you get the quality...


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#36119 - 06/25/04 10:38 AM Re: Brand Comparisons....Boats vs. Automobiles  
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I think when you look at the different boat makers, you see what buyer they are trying to reach... most are trying for the widest audience, with the largest volume of units... some are not concerned with volume , just specialty products, high quality, unique market segments;Some are looking for wide audience appeal, building brand loyality & keeping customers, others want volume= profit.

Bayliner- Chevy
Bryant-Toyota
Chap-Volvo
Glastron- Dodge
Larson- Olds
Monterey-Buick
Regal-Ford
Crownline-Honda
Rinker-Honda
SeaRay-Toyota
Stingray-Hyndai
FourWinns-Ford
WellCraft-Saab
Cobalt- BMW
ChrisCraft-Mercedes
Formula-Lexus
Excalibur-Porshe


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#36120 - 06/25/04 11:47 AM Re: Brand Comparisons....Boats vs. Automobiles  
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This is a fantastic post SilverDawg!

I hope this question isn't too off topic, or in the wrong thread, but would anyone care to make the same comparisons with the VP and Merc motors?

Would VP = Volvo and Merc = GM? Is is that obvious or is there more to the answer than that?

Thanks, yet again,
Mike

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