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#351401 - 10/13/07 09:16 AM Re: Engine stalled, then no response from ignition [Re: CMJ]  
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Oh, I was wrong, I won't need a sweatshirt tomorrow, it'll be a high of 72!


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#351681 - 10/14/07 10:33 PM Re: Engine stalled, then no response from ignition [Re: BillyB]  
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BillyB/CMJ,
You are funny (and good people )

I will let you know what I hear from the dealer.


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#351725 - 10/15/07 08:42 AM Re: Engine stalled, then no response from ignition [Re: Lambert Laker]  
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My pictures from yesterday will be posted soon. It wasn't real warm, I did need that sweatshirt afterall, but I was boating and you were not! Neener Neener Neener!


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#352033 - 10/16/07 12:44 AM Re: Engine stalled, then no response from ignition [Re: BillyB]  
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The dealer service department called today.
The boat is fixed. I am happy about that.

When I asked what they found & fixed:
“Ignition Fuse” was the answer.

I know I went over every wire/fuse of the boat –
the fuses in the fuse block,
the fuse behind the 50 amp breaker,
the two fuses on the battery.

I guess I missed a fuse or didn’t measure it right?
I will be sure that they point out my error when I pick the boat up.

BTW, this was a $129 service charge.
Easy to handle, but I still wonder if it could be covered under warranty?

Related:
When I asked if my speedometer was repaired, I was told yes.
I asked what was wrong - I was told the tube was disconnected on the speedometer side.

Funny, no water has come from the tube since the last time I connected it.
I asked if they sea-tested it, to check.
No was the answer – but they put air through the pick up.
I did that much & I bet it will still not work....

I guess I am a little negative ... but in the large picture,
boating & this non-starting problem are working out quite well.

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#352058 - 10/16/07 07:45 AM Re: Engine stalled, then no response from ignition [Re: Lambert Laker]  
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$129 doesn't hurt too much, glad it's resolved. But like you said, have them show you what they did, that way if it ever happens again you'll know how to deal with it.

#352061 - 10/16/07 07:56 AM Re: Engine stalled, then no response from ignition [Re: Keith]  
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Did they have any idea as to why the fuse blew ??


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#352171 - 10/16/07 12:49 PM Re: Engine stalled, then no response from ignition [Re: Scott L]  
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 Originally Posted By: Scott L
Did they have any idea as to why the fuse blew ??


That would be my question as well.
I had a short on my motorcycle that kept blowing an ign fusebox and I was stranded at least 3 different times over 2 months before I finally found it.
Makes you real uneasy every time you go out on it.


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#352199 - 10/16/07 01:59 PM Re: Engine stalled, then no response from ignition [Re: Hockey Family]  
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Even with the warranty, you end up paying more. The warranty company rarely gives enough time or money to perform warranty work.

I had a fuel pump issues "covered" by warranty. $465 was my out of pocket charge. Warranty covered $850ish.

#352204 - 10/16/07 02:12 PM Re: Engine stalled, then no response from ignition [Re: PrimeTime]  
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LL, glad you got it fixed. I was wondering, did you ever do a continuity test on the fuse? My fuse box has a botton you push that lights up little diodes next to each fuse if they haven't melted. If one doesn't light up you replace the fuse.

PT, $1300 for a fuel pump?


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#352211 - 10/16/07 02:24 PM Re: Engine stalled, then no response from ignition [Re: deepv]  
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LL, I'd throw some ignition fuses in your toolbox next time out just in case.


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#352331 - 10/16/07 07:26 PM Re: Engine stalled, then no response from ignition [Re: That English Guy]  
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LL,
sweet, does that mean you are going to the airshow on Sun.


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#352402 - 10/16/07 09:34 PM Re: Engine stalled, then no response from ignition [Re: deepv]  
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 Originally Posted By: deepv
LL, glad you got it fixed. I was wondering, did you ever do a continuity test on the fuse? My fuse box has a botton you push that lights up little diodes next to each fuse if they haven't melted. If one doesn't light up you replace the fuse.

PT, $1300 for a fuel pump?


Volvo's list on the fuel pump is $800. (if I remember correctly)
That together with the mechanic probably not being their best diagnosis guys @$80ish an hour adds up quick!

The extended warranty people gave $600 towards the part and 2.5 hours labor and .5hr test drive.

#352409 - 10/16/07 09:47 PM Re: Engine stalled, then no response from ignition [Re: senza]  
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Keith, positive words – thanks. You are right about the 129. That is a drop in the bucket in boating cost - even it is something I overlooked.

Scott & HF, my thoughts exactly about what caused it.
Unfortunately, when I started putting questions to the service manager, she said she would have to ask the tech who fixed it. I will, when I pick the boat up. I have a theory, but will wait to hear what they say & will do a little testing at home to see if I am right.

PrimeTime, when I dropped the boat off, I was told "maybe a 25 or 50 dollar deductible for this problem". When they called and said it was a fuse, they informed me that wasn't covered under the warranty - hence the 1 hour labor charge. (owner responsibility I assume?) I will post some questions about my warranty in a new thread. I should already know the ins/outs, but since I have never used it, I have been lazy learning anything about it.

Deep, thanks & my continuity test on the fuses is putting the positive meter lead on one side, putting the neg meter lead on the other side & looking for a short. I thought I did that on all fuses – I guess I missed one.

TEG, I have spare fuses and will probably buy more now.... but I need to know which one went bad and were to plug it in

senza, if I pick the boat up Saturday, I should be good for Sunday.
Not locked in just yet.


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#352416 - 10/16/07 10:11 PM Re: Engine stalled, then no response from ignition [Re: Lambert Laker]  
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 Quote:
Even with the warranty, you end up paying more. The warranty company rarely gives enough time or money to perform warranty work.

I had a fuel pump issues "covered" by warranty. $465 was my out of pocket charge. Warranty covered $850ish.

 Quote:
Volvo's list on the fuel pump is $800. (if I remember correctly)
That together with the mechanic probably not being their best diagnosis guys @$80ish an hour adds up quick!

The extended warranty people gave $600 towards the part and 2.5 hours labor and .5hr test drive.


Am I missing something here, or am I just incredibly naive?
A covered item under an extended warranty does not pay for the complete cost of the parts and labor?

Who is the warranty company that is being referred to?

NO one would ever accept such a thing on a car/truck extended warranty, what gives here?

I have the Volvo 2+4 warranty, and I cannont imagine that any covered part is not completely covered at a Volvo authorized service center. The dispute with extended warranties usually is about whether they will cover it or not, not how much of it they will cover.


#352433 - 10/16/07 10:35 PM Re: Engine stalled, then no response from ignition [Re: trooplewis]  
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I'd dig a little with the warranty - a fuse is not a wear and tear / usage item.

There should be some reason to cause it to blow, and I for sure would want to know what.

$129 is not a lot in boating dollars agreed - but the finding underlying cause / malfunction of the fault to blow out the fuse should have been part of the covereaqe in the Extended Warranty

Again JMHO


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#352444 - 10/16/07 10:54 PM Re: Engine stalled, then no response from ignition [Re: trooplewis]  
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 Originally Posted By: trooplewis


Am I missing something here, or am I just incredibly naive?
A covered item under an extended warranty does not pay for the complete cost of the parts and labor?

Who is the warranty company that is being referred to?

NO one would ever accept such a thing on a car/truck extended warranty, what gives here?

I have the Volvo 2+4 warranty, and I cannont imagine that any covered part is not completely covered at a Volvo authorized service center. The dispute with extended warranties usually is about whether they will cover it or not, not how much of it they will cover.



That is how most all extended volvo and merc warranties work, unless they don't cover any of the repair. If your olvo authorized servicer tells you the cost is going to be $1200 and volvo extended protection is only covering $800 of it, you have 2 choices- pay the difference to get it fixed or keep your broken boat.

Good luck getting them to cover everything.
(call the volvo extended protection guys, they will tell you- (800) 235-7549)

#352451 - 10/16/07 11:36 PM Re: Engine stalled, then no response from ignition [Re: PrimeTime]  
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In a car dealership's service department, there are two or more levels of hourly labor rate: Customer pay, and warranty rate. The mfg pays warranty rate only; if the dealer does not like having to charge that rate (set by the mgf, usually $10 or so less than Customer Pay rate), well, they don't have that choice.

I don't doubt what you are saying, but it really puts the consumer in a lousy position. Like I said, auto buyers would not tolerate it at all and would be at the BBB's door if a Ford dealer told them that they had any kind of warranty repair bill other than their deductible.

#352566 - 10/17/07 11:54 AM Re: Engine stalled, then no response from ignition [Re: trooplewis]  
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Trooplewis:

That's whats called a "cash paying customer" to the dealership. They love cash paying customers!


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#352585 - 10/17/07 12:46 PM Re: Engine stalled, then no response from ignition [Re: deepv]  
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Glad it's fixed---let us know which and WHERE the fuse was!

And--thanks for giving me another reason not to bother with buying extended warrantees.


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#352790 - 10/17/07 09:43 PM Re: Engine stalled, then no response from ignition [Re: Frantically Relaxing]  
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Lambert, a buddy of ours blew ,what I believe, the same fuse. He has a 350Mag Merc and it was down by the starter. Remember the rubbing red wires by the alternator recall that Merc had?...this is what caused his to blow.


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