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#198702 - 02/08/05 12:32 AM 3/4 Ton Yukon or Burb Experience  
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Well, It's come to my attention that it's time to begin looking for a new "towmobile" to replace the ageing Yukon.

I'm seriously considering ordering an '05 Yukon-XL 3/4 ton with Quadrasteer. Downside is I can't get the 8.1 big block. But the 6.0 is still better than my "semi-injected" 5.7 small block.

Any owners of 3/4 ton Yuks or Burbs out there willing to convey thier experiences...good, bad, or indifferent?

Any and all comments will be greatly appreciated......And of Course......will be kept in the strictest confidence! ;\)




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#198703 - 02/08/05 12:44 AM Re: 3/4 Ton Yukon or Burb Experience  
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Quadrasteer is being dicontinued.

Thats all I can add.


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#198704 - 02/08/05 12:50 AM Re: 3/4 Ton Yukon or Burb Experience  
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You're Kidding..........

I'd assume it's due to poor sales, I've never heard of it being a problematic system.

It is an incredible option.....Once you drive one, you're hooked!

Is this soon or at the close of the model year?




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#198705 - 02/08/05 12:54 AM Re: 3/4 Ton Yukon or Burb Experience  
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I believe it's after this model year,although with this system it could be shelved yesterday!

The system is awesome, but a high dollar option that did not sell very well.

Do you know what the cost of the option is?


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#198706 - 02/08/05 12:56 AM Re: 3/4 Ton Yukon or Burb Experience  
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I think if it was offered with the high end Suburban and Taho it may have done a little better.


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#198707 - 02/08/05 01:02 AM Re: 3/4 Ton Yukon or Burb Experience  
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It is available on Yukon-XL 3/4 ton, Suburban 3/4 ton, and GMC Denali Extended Cab models. I had heard that it was going to also be made available in the 2006 model year on the Cadillac Escalade EXT. The cost upon introduction was $3800. But since 2003 the price has been $1995...A bargain

Where did you hear of the discontinuance of the system?




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#198708 - 02/08/05 01:12 AM Re: 3/4 Ton Yukon or Burb Experience  
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I also read that, but in the same week we had a memo stateing it was being looked at being shelved.Strange!
I'll see if I can find more info when I get into work tommarow.
It seems funny Delphi would shelf this so soon, there was talk of the other two, Ford and Chrysler looking into the technology.

I did not know it was offerd in the big Suburban.

I remember when this was first brought on board they were talking a 5000+ price tag!!! Nice to see it didn't go that route.
So seeing the option is what a nice set of wheels would cost why would they want to get rid of it so soon.

And why not upgrade!? It IS a bargain.!


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#198709 - 02/08/05 01:43 AM Re: 3/4 Ton Yukon or Burb Experience  
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I own a 2001 Yukon XL SLT with 8.1 and 4X4. Currently there is about 63,000 miles on the odometer.

I think it is one of the best vehicles I've ever owned.

It is comfortable, reliable and fun to drive, makes towing a breeze and in my opinion is a really good-looking truck.

I bought it in the Dark Indigo Blue color with Shale leather interior. I was thinking of buying a new one, but the color combination I prefer is no longer available.

I basically loaded it up when I bought it. If I were to buy another, I'd go for the rear bench instead of the captain's seats. They offer better and more seating .. which I didn't think I'd prefer.

Also, I replaced the factory hitch with a Reese Titan hitch. The OEM equipment was rated for 5,000 lbs. I asked GM what the deal was...selling a truck with a 12,000 lb towing capacity with a 5,000 lb hitch. They answered me that properly equipped, the truck will tow the higher weights. They indicated that most of their customers will tow to the full rated capacity with the OEM hitch, but if there were a problem, well.. the capacities are clearly marked and the customer would have no recourse.

yikes!

I noticed that Ford is now offering the 2.5" receivers as standard.

Anyway, mileage is decent. I get about 9-10 in the city and 12-14 on the highway. Towing on the highway drops me down to 9-10 again. I have the 4.10 axle. Next time .. 3.73.

What else.. problems...

I have had a few.

The transmission was rebuilt under warranty at just around 36,000 miles. I also had to have a few TSBs done .. and there was one recall relating to resealing the rear tire well to prevent errant exhaust fumes from entering the vehicle.

The 8.1 also uses oil. It's a big big motor and I need to add a quart or so every 1,500 miles. which is pretty good compared to some other owner's experiences. I started to use synthetic after the engine was broken in.

Regular service at the dealer is fairly expensive. I have been flushing the brake system and transmission every other year. I replace the diff and transfer case oils every year. Oil changes are based on the GM oil-life indicator system.

Quality, fit and finish and dealer attention so far has been great. (I switched dealers relating to the transmission problem. The truck shifted poorly from the day I picked it up. The selling dealer said it was normal. I drove a Suburban and it didn't shift the same at all. I brought it back several times. The warranty was going to expire, and since I was skeptical, I bought an extended warranty. Sure enough, right after the GM warranty expired. .. Literally 100 miles, the truck was deemed to have a transmission problem by the dealer. Unfortunately, the warranty expired and the cost for repair would be about $4,000.

I reminded them I had complained about the shifting from day ONE... and I had the service orders to prove it. Actually I had twelve complaints all showing "operating Normally at This Time"

I said ... to fix it..under the extended warranty.. and they said they couldn't because the warranty company had gone belly-up. I was pissed off. I was out about $1,300 for the bogus warranty and the transmission repair cost was unacceptable given the history of the vehicle.

I went to another dealer (which I should have done long ago ... but I have stupid loyalties)

The other dealer made one call and got GM to cover it under a "goodwill" warranty. They now have all my business. And the credit card company got my Warranty premium refunded. so I was made whole - albeit with a bit of stress.

As for quadrasteer. I'd prefer the 8.1 vs. the complexities of the steering system. Something else to go wrong .. but I guess it depends on how long you plan to own the vehicle. I decided to keep this one another 30 years. I really love it.

there's only one minor rattle in the dash when it gets very cold out.

I had a friend with a Mazda 4WS steering system. every now and then the rear wheels would wiggle on their own. It was weird.

I drive and trailer in and out of places that are fairly easy in terms of manouverability. About the only time I really have to pay attention is at the mall parking lot during the holiday shopping season. But even then, I've gotten used to parking in the outlying parking fields to avoid tight aisles, etc. I get some extra exercise .. plus enjoy the side benefits of reducing the dents that inconsiderate drivers might leave from opening their doors.

Put it this way... for all the times you'll really benefit from quadrasteer - you can mount a front hitch to the truck. Keep the 8.1 and a few thousand in the bank .. which will more than cover you incremental fuel costs.

Just my 2-cents... +/- \:\)


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#198710 - 02/08/05 01:48 AM Re: 3/4 Ton Yukon or Burb Experience  
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The 6.0 pulls great, even through the rockies. I tow 6500 - 7000 lbs. with it ever so well. Get the 4.10 gear.

XS, lets hear about quadrasteer! He has the option


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#198711 - 02/08/05 01:58 AM Re: 3/4 Ton Yukon or Burb Experience  
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I have had mine since new with about 55,000 miles now. It has not been in once for any work other than regular maintenance, that I can remember.


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#198712 - 02/08/05 02:26 AM Re: 3/4 Ton Yukon or Burb Experience  
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PDQ, I would think that the selling dealer of the extended should have stepped up and honored the terms of the contract that you purchased through them. You did buy the extended warranty through the first dealer, correct?

A local car dealer here sold extended warranties through a company that as of Sept 11, 2001 no longer existed. The dealer stepped up and honored the terms of the contracts.


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#198713 - 02/08/05 02:30 AM Re: 3/4 Ton Yukon or Burb Experience  
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BTW, there is a couple of oil consumption issues with the 8.1L. First, they like the OEM recommended 5w30 oil. Second, there was a service bulletin pertaining to updated intake manifold bolts. I can't remember whether the intake gaskets had to be changed too, but the bolts were longer which offered a higher clamp load.


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#198714 - 02/08/05 02:37 AM Re: 3/4 Ton Yukon or Burb Experience  
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From PDQCobalt

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I said ... to fix it..under the extended warranty.. and they said they couldn't because the warranty company had gone belly-up. I was pissed off. I was out about $1,300 for the bogus warranty and the transmission repair cost was unacceptable given the history of the vehicle.
If you buy an extended service contract (proper name) always insist on the manufacturers backed program. Do not take these 3rd party contracts, as they always seem to work out this way.


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#198715 - 02/08/05 02:55 AM Re: 3/4 Ton Yukon or Burb Experience  
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Or buy your own from http://www.warrantydirect.com, I think they are a top company.


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#198716 - 02/08/05 03:17 AM Re: 3/4 Ton Yukon or Burb Experience  
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The 6.0L is not much better on gas than the 8.1L. Definately get the 4.10 if you get the 6.0L, although with the Quadrasteer they may specify what rear end you get. The best milage I have gotten on the highway (65 MPH, CC set) was 18 MPG. Towing I average between 10 and 12 MPG (Covers/no covers). Either way you will love the truck's abilites to tow and carry people .

I have not been overly exicted with build quality, but choice in the segment is somewhat limited.


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#198717 - 02/08/05 03:27 AM Re: 3/4 Ton Yukon or Burb Experience  
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I bought the warranty through the dealer.. It was backed by a company named National Warranty. They wouldn't stand behind it.

Other thing.. I noticed one day when I had the truck in for an oil change.. that they put 15W-40 in it from the overhead oil tank.

The truck "calls for" 5W-30. They said it didn't matter and all fleet trucks and every vehicle they service gets that oil.

I *made them drain it out* and go to the auto parts store and BUY 5W30 oil to put in it since they didn't have any.

Of course, it took them about 2 hours to change the oil .. plus.. the original change took about 45 minutes.

As I was pissed off.. I tried to get them to do the Mr. goodwrench guarantee of 30-minutes or your next oil change is free. they wouldn't honor that either.

I really don't care for that GMC dealer. They are a high volume seller...but their service is the pitts. Nearly everyone I spoke with after I bought the truck told me. buy it there.. get it services elsewhere.


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#198718 - 02/08/05 04:15 AM Re: 3/4 Ton Yukon or Burb Experience  
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2001 Yukon XL 2500 4WD 8.1L 4:10

The only downside to the 3/4T is possibly in the ride quality - slightly worse than a 1500. In addition to the heavy duty suspension - (full set of leafs in the rear) The 2500's have 8 lug wheels and E rated tires which can handle up to 80PSI (actually recommended when towing). Drive over some rough roads and you pretty well know it. Mine has some sort of "autoride" option but I have yet to understand exactly what it is supposed to do.

Of course if you want a pretty ride, buy an import \:D

#198719 - 02/08/05 10:12 AM Re: 3/4 Ton Yukon or Burb Experience  
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I have had both a '02 3/4T XL and now an '05 #/4T XL. Both with the 8.1 motor and autoride. Loved both of them. I have a friend with an '00 and he does not have the autoride. Mine is much mor comfortable when non-towing. The autoride controls shock valving, if I remember correctly. I suppose I could let some air out of the tires to improve ride ( I keep them at 80 PSI), but why bother? I hauled 6 people plus myself to a conference yesterday (100 miles round trip) and had several comments on how nice the vehicle rode.

I agree with all posts about fuel non-economy, I get about 8 MPG when towing and about 11 MPG when not towing. Then again, I did not buy it for fuel economy, I bought it to tow a heavy load. In addition, I too, add oil avery couple thousand miles, which to me is no big deal.

When I ordered my '05 last August, the 4 wheel steering was not available with the 8.1 motor, only available with the 6.0. Haven't heard anything about discontinuing the option. I would have purchased it had it been available with the 8.1.

To me, it's a great tow vehicle that can also carry lots of gear, easpecially once the 3rd seat is removed. If only I could find a place to store it, once I take it out. Somehow leaving it in the living room is not an option to the admiral!!



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#198720 - 02/08/05 12:16 PM Re: 3/4 Ton Yukon or Burb Experience  
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Pgh,
The news is, due to the production cuts at mostly GM, Delphi is having to cut their work force. It was written that Delphi might lose GM as a customer for the Quadrasteer.
According to Automotive news they are only cutting back and there is no say of shelving the unit. Delphi is cutting its work force by 8500 workers!

In short: I would say it is not being discontinued. Only getting limited production due to build cut backs at GM.


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#198721 - 02/08/05 01:06 PM Re: 3/4 Ton Yukon or Burb Experience  
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GM has done a terrible job of promoting and using the Quadrasteer (QS) system. Not only that, most of the dealers and techs are truly ignorant (and afraid) of the system. There are only a handful of dealers in the country that truly embrace the system and do everything within their power to stock them. I live in New Hampshire and went to Atlanta to get mine because the owner of that dealership was truly a gentleman and a huge fan of QS.

It's a modified Dana 60 with a 9 3/4 ring gear and the G86 limited slip designed by Dana. It's the only limited slip you can get with QS. This thing is over built and can easily handle HD applications including the 8.1 and Duramax. GM choses not to make it available on those trucks because they're afraid of what the "bogus" MSRP on the sticker might look like!

You can get either the 3.73 or 4.10 gearing. The components have a 200,000 mile life cycle and have been tested under the most extreme conditions. One more thing to go wrong? We should be so lucky as to have the rest of our truck/SUV developed so well.

I work my trucks extremely hard. Although I don't tow my boat, I tow many others boats and equipment; tow handling is a dream, and as a daily driver, it rivals some of the German cars I have owned.

PM me if you want more info and you can check out http://www.quadrasteerclub.com

"That's about all I have to say about that."


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